I agree with what you said. Admittedly I did not watch the video, and I'm sure I could listen to it and agree with many points the individual made.
But the Boogaloo individual in the interview is irrelevant. The Boogaloo organization is what is effectively being platformed here, to an angry audience of pseudo, potentially proto-leftists. And on Twitter, Jimmy doesn't even seem to be clear on denouncing the things that Boogaloo as an organization, to the extent that they are one, is about: Race war & shooting up and harassing BLM protestors.
Picture Jimmy in the 30s having an Italian fascist party member on. They would speak about inequality, the rights of the worker, the failure of the state. And they would be correct. The whole white nationalist thing is easily talked around and shelved for the duration of the interview. This would NOT be a win for the left, it would be a moment of far-right radicalization.
You're saying that the left needs to be more open-minded about coalitions to ally against the state & neoliberalism, and I agree with this to an extent. I just don't think this is it.
Boogaloo as an organization, to the extent that they are one, is about: Race war & shooting up and harassing BLM protestors.
Are there any exposes on Boogaloo proving this is a popular current in their politics? The vast majority of information I can find on Boogaloo outside of corporate media points to Radical Liberalism being the most common political trend.
All of the reportsI found on Boogaloo violence were murdering cops, or attempted murders. Also, there was the situation in Michigan, where some people the FBI claimed were boogaloo were caught in the Michigan governor entrapment situation.
Picture Jimmy in the 30s having an Italian fascist party member on. They would speak about inequality, the rights of the worker, the failure of the state.
This is not accurate. The Italian fascist would talk about the Italian race & the need for the Italian people to construct a state to further the race. They would likely speak highly of the work-disciplined labor. However, they would consider trade unionists enemies of the state, and therefore, enemies of the Italian race.
The rhetoric between Italian fascism and the right-Libertarian rhetoric that most boogaloos seem to have is worlds apart.
I agree with this to an extent. I just don’t think this is it
I'm not saying Left-wing organizations should have a blanket pro-boogaloo stance. I'm saying that formations of boogaloos seem interested in cooperating with Left-wing organizations in a positive way. I've been trying to get in contact with people I know in Detroit and Lansing, since the person Dore interviewed claimed they had a working relationship with Left-wing orgs in those cities.
Are there any exposes on Boogaloo proving this is a popular current in their politics? The vast majority of information I can find on Boogaloo outside of corporate media points to Radical Liberalism being the most common political trend.
I don't claim to be an expert on Boogaloo, but from what I've seen, they flash the white power sign, participate in Trump rallies, defend confederate statues, and do "Rittenhouse" shooter drills. I don't think their white supremacist aspect is overblown by mainstream media.
You say they're made up of "Radical Liberalism," which I don't really understand. The most common use of that phrase is essentially middle-upper class radical support for establishment democrats, usually with some social democratic tendency. Boogaloo as a whole does not strike me at all like that. They are "radical liberals" in the sense that they are not communists or anti-capitalists, but I think the more accurate description is a loosely far-right white power ideology, who would much sooner ally with fascists than with any kind of egalitarian project. Right-wing extreme libertarianism can be rhetorically opposed to fascism, but my reading of history shows that this is just not to be trusted. So any individual claiming to be part of Boogaloo that claims "anti-racism" is always going to be an ideological trojan horse.
That said, I would be curious to hear what your left wing org people have to say.
EDIT: This thread has more info on genuine Boogaloo tendencies (i.e fashy, racist, anti-communist etc): https://twitter.com/PapaGlider/status/1353695716082900994
I agree with what you said. Admittedly I did not watch the video, and I'm sure I could listen to it and agree with many points the individual made.
But the Boogaloo individual in the interview is irrelevant. The Boogaloo organization is what is effectively being platformed here, to an angry audience of pseudo, potentially proto-leftists. And on Twitter, Jimmy doesn't even seem to be clear on denouncing the things that Boogaloo as an organization, to the extent that they are one, is about: Race war & shooting up and harassing BLM protestors.
Picture Jimmy in the 30s having an Italian fascist party member on. They would speak about inequality, the rights of the worker, the failure of the state. And they would be correct. The whole white nationalist thing is easily talked around and shelved for the duration of the interview. This would NOT be a win for the left, it would be a moment of far-right radicalization.
You're saying that the left needs to be more open-minded about coalitions to ally against the state & neoliberalism, and I agree with this to an extent. I just don't think this is it.
Are there any exposes on Boogaloo proving this is a popular current in their politics? The vast majority of information I can find on Boogaloo outside of corporate media points to Radical Liberalism being the most common political trend.
All of the reportsI found on Boogaloo violence were murdering cops, or attempted murders. Also, there was the situation in Michigan, where some people the FBI claimed were boogaloo were caught in the Michigan governor entrapment situation.
This is not accurate. The Italian fascist would talk about the Italian race & the need for the Italian people to construct a state to further the race. They would likely speak highly of the work-disciplined labor. However, they would consider trade unionists enemies of the state, and therefore, enemies of the Italian race.
The rhetoric between Italian fascism and the right-Libertarian rhetoric that most boogaloos seem to have is worlds apart.
I'm not saying Left-wing organizations should have a blanket pro-boogaloo stance. I'm saying that formations of boogaloos seem interested in cooperating with Left-wing organizations in a positive way. I've been trying to get in contact with people I know in Detroit and Lansing, since the person Dore interviewed claimed they had a working relationship with Left-wing orgs in those cities.
I don't claim to be an expert on Boogaloo, but from what I've seen, they flash the white power sign, participate in Trump rallies, defend confederate statues, and do "Rittenhouse" shooter drills. I don't think their white supremacist aspect is overblown by mainstream media.
You say they're made up of "Radical Liberalism," which I don't really understand. The most common use of that phrase is essentially middle-upper class radical support for establishment democrats, usually with some social democratic tendency. Boogaloo as a whole does not strike me at all like that. They are "radical liberals" in the sense that they are not communists or anti-capitalists, but I think the more accurate description is a loosely far-right white power ideology, who would much sooner ally with fascists than with any kind of egalitarian project. Right-wing extreme libertarianism can be rhetorically opposed to fascism, but my reading of history shows that this is just not to be trusted. So any individual claiming to be part of Boogaloo that claims "anti-racism" is always going to be an ideological trojan horse.
That said, I would be curious to hear what your left wing org people have to say.
EDIT: This thread has more info on genuine Boogaloo tendencies (i.e fashy, racist, anti-communist etc): https://twitter.com/PapaGlider/status/1353695716082900994