Yeah I interviewed a white fascist teenager and he said he was projew, he is antiracism, has a degree in phrenology, believes in a free market objectivity system with heavy social safety nets and central planning, he is a gay black man, he believes in all the gods that have ever existed all at the same time, and that he's catholic. It was an eyeopening experience that people can just fuckin lie Jimmy. They don't have to tell the truth: muddying the water makes things better for fascists.
I personally think the ENTIRE boogaloo boys thing is just rebranded neonazi recruitment. They realized we were kicking their fucking asses and rebranded deliberately.
Oh absolutely. They might have some dumb stupidpol types that got lured in and still identify as socialists or anarchists, but they are absolutely just a fash org. I figure the lies are to keep recruitment or because confusing opponents is helpful for them; as an organisation they believe not a single thing of the interview
i'm 90% they aren't an org, just 4chan people who identify as boogaloo boys
In other words, a forum that would be very easy for a few dedicated recruiters to "slide".
Anyone who is “apolitical” is strictly for that country’s dominant politics.
The Black Panthers did openly collaborate with the Young Patriots while they still used the Confederate flag. It was through mutual struggle that the Young Patriots politics changed.
Also, the Rainbow Coalition did not have a six-week education program. It was a political alliance between various ethnic groups in Chicago.
I'm not advocating for communists to align with the Boogaloo Boys. They are not an organization. There's nothing to align with. But I wouldn't be surprised to see elements from Boogaloo Boys organize and cooperate with Left-wing organizations.
I'm curious to know if any Lansing-based socialists, communists, or progressives have issued statements on the person Jimmy Dore interviewed.
If you don’t understand that class struggle is intersectional and want to link arms with boogaloo bois with no talk of de-radicalizing them first
Here's the fundamental misunderstanding. The cooperation between Black Panthers & Young Patriots did not begin at "de-radicalizing" them.
It began as a tenuous political alliance built on their opposition to the Chicago police & the exploitative conditions in the city. The Young Patriots had southern pride, white gang elements during their collaboration with the Black Panther. That changed through mutual struggle with the Black Panthers.
Studying movements such as Boogaloo Boys, and identifying opportunities for political alliances is not class reductionism. It is sound political strategy for a Left-wing movement inside a decaying state. Sometimes it will produce allies, sometimes it will produce broken alliances.
But all of this is in the abstract. The formation "Boogaloo Boys" takes in any city will be radically different.
I really think you are missing the point.
The question is "we have similar objectives, to what extent does a political alliance make sense?" That question must be answered in every city with a Left-wing and a Boogaloo presence. It seems that the Boogaloo presence in Lansing has found common ground with Left-wing organizations.
I'm under the impression things will continue to become more violent & unstable in the US. I want as few of these armed militias to turn against my community as possible. That will involve negotiations & alliances.
We have similar objectives
Uh, the fuck we do, my dude. I don't think race war is on the to-do list of anyone here.
Who, specifically, is trying to start a race war? Don't work with them.
Cool it with the fucking reactionary language jesus.
"Degenerate" and "schizo moron" ain't a good look
like the stinky :haram: man lib to leftist pipeline, its getting backed up
We will no doubt have to work with some less than desirable elements, but the boogaloo boys are never to be trusted. They're like 1 degree of kevin bacon away from identity evropa or whatever the hell. These guys are extremely online and absolutely understand stuff like entryism.
This is always a weird flex to me. Like, "Let me comment in a thread on a topic I don't care to be informed on." Always stay curious, comrades!
It's like the exact opposite of the civility fetish that libs have. Shouting angry man = good.
Hmmm what's that word that describes people who are powerless totalitarian drones without agency who live vicariously through heroic narratives in media spectacle?
I'm not a dore fan and I don't watch his show , but I'm not going to pretend it isn't a real thing that the left shuns people for actually displaying a visceral hatred toward the ruling class. It also isn't surprising that the left keeps being betrayed by all its leadership figures when the type of affect it selects for weeds out virtually anyone who isn't a corporate social climber.
the left shuns people for actually displaying a visceral hatred toward the ruling class.
Such as who?
This is the definition of a psyop girls and boys and non-binaries. DEATH TO CAPITALISM.
This whole 'the left has allies in the far right' thing is so fucking manufactured to me.
It's frustrating. The Trillbillys illustrate how poor rural white communities are primed for leftist activism.
But libs tend to confuse "rural white poor" with "white nationalist". They come out of it thinking J.D. Vance is someone who could be a secret leftist.
There are plenty of people who haven't formed a strong ideological view yet, and simply display a right-wing aesthetic because its baked into the culture. Like waving a Confederate Flag because you enjoy Dukes of Hazard reruns and Lynard Skynard albums. And its good to approach these people with some degree of tact, because they legitimately don't understand the historical dialectic of the thing they're waving over their heads.
But this is an argument for youth-oriented organizing. Not right-wing oriented organizing.
20-year-olds echoing the aesthetic of their parents and older friends are potentially accessible and open to discourse. 40-year-old guys in pickup trucks waving Confederate Flags either know better or don't care. 60-year-old sponsors of the Confederate Veterans Society absolutely know better and most likely want to either recruit you or lynch you, themselves.
That's a very good point. It's hard to get past the people saying shit like "Sanders supporters are just Trump supporters with different hats!" They refuse to engage with the economic similarities between working-class right-wingers and leftist policy goals. Instead, they try to align the two based upon their least desirable qualities.
Youth-oriented organizing is huge. Not just in rural communities, of course. I don't see many lib boomers/gen xers going too far left either.
Lack of coherent leftist organization in areas with large reactionary populations can be a fuck for anyone who self radicalizes.
There's actually a coalition in Appalachia right now trying to solve this called Appalachian Socialists of America trying to combat this. Working with Black Socialists of America to try and start worker co-ops
No, it's that Boogaloo Boy who gave that speech in front of the MI State House.
https://twitter.com/MagnusPanvidya/status/1353359963821903872?s=19
Are those people often regular users of the subreddit or interlopers from elsewhere, though?
Just a few weeks ago there were people here praising him and calling him a leftist -- even more cringe.
He complained that AOC wasn't doing M4A fast enough. So, by the transitive property of "Punching Hippies from the Left", he must be an even bigger leftist than AOC.
does he actually qualify those statements or does he just go "uhh yeah racism is bad"?
Yes, the guys who want a literal race war said they were pro - Black Lives Matter 👌👌👌
I'm assuming by "anti war," the boog is just against foreign occupation and intervention by US troops?
Because the only thing all boogs agree on is the belief in either the necessity or inevitability of a second civil war.
You can't be for a "Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo" while being against war.
Does it seem to anyone else like this sort of thing has become fairly common with Tulsi supporters, and doesn't anyone else think it's a little weird?
I frequently see them on twitter being intentionally divisive and pushing bad takes about working with right wingers, similar to what Dore did here. It almost feels like an op, to be perfectly honest.
i'm not on twitter so i haven't met enough Tulsi supporters to form a stereotype about them
