and there he is. i probably just have to give space for a while and maybe try from a different angle. the conversation was partly centered on them realizing that even scandanavian socialist countries do imperialism, and that therefore demsoc reform might not actually be the most effective counter to global capitalism.

so there's some distance to travel before we can really get there. bringing Mao into it at that point when i'm still trying to get him to acknowledge that armed revolutionary struggle has a place and that place may be here and now, is probably doing too much.