• AdamSandler [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      A conservative. I don’t believe conservatism is fascism, although conservatives will ally with fascism when given the chance

      • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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        4 years ago

        You've said multiple times that you think neoliberalism and fascism are pretty much the same thing but you don't think conservativism is fascist as well? Hard pressed to believe you aren't a wrecker.

          • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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            4 years ago

            And conservatism isn't fascist how? Especially in a US context. Conservatism in the US is the most neoliberal ideology. If neoliberalism is fascist, as you've said at least twice, how is it that conservatism is different?

            • AdamSandler [he/him]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Because conservatism at the moment holds at least a color opposition to liberalism

              • Kaputnik [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Is that because you personally dislike liberalism more than anything on the right wing as you've stated before?

                      • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                        4 years ago

                        Yet you think the dems are closer to fash than the GOP?

                        What even is your worldview?

                          • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                            4 years ago

                            That isn’t a worldview, that’s a cop-out, and a contradictory one at that

                            • AdamSandler [he/him]
                              hexagon
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                              4 years ago

                              The neoliberal world order is a poison. Bring it crashing to the ground. That’s what Lenin tried doing, and it worked in Russia.

                              • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                                4 years ago

                                That isn’t anti establishmentism, that’s Marxist-Leninist Bolshevism, and are you saying Lenin would be saying “oh no the protofash ruling class killed a protofash conservative! The horror!”

                                Cause he wouldn’t

                                Wait, the protofash that got killed supports the ‘color opposition’ (to the other bourgeoise party) which makes them better and less fascist, I forgot

                                • AdamSandler [he/him]
                                  hexagon
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                                  4 years ago

                                  It doesn’t make them less fascist, it makes them usable.

                                  • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                                    4 years ago

                                    More usable than the average lib? Cmon that’s patently absurd

                                    Go make friends with boogaloo boys if that’s what you wanna do, but it’s ridiculous

                                      • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                                        4 years ago

                                        I don’t know, I haven’t heard that.

                                        But, uh, Fucking and? What does that have to do with anything lmao

                                          • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                                            4 years ago

                                            It really seems like you have no idea how absurd the stuff you’ve been saying is, I’d fully expect you to do that at this point

                                            • AdamSandler [he/him]
                                              hexagon
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                                              4 years ago

                                              You really think my paranoid schizo ass is gonna willingly befriend a cop

                                              • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                                                4 years ago

                                                Mate I have no clue what to think at this point, truly these takes are held together by scotch tape and spit

                                                But maybe it’s a good idea to log off for a bit and reflect, I’m definitely gonna disengage because I don’t want to be coming down on you and stressing you out.

                  • Kaputnik [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Well when this person was shot, a proto-fascist was running America, now a neoliberal is

                    • AdamSandler [he/him]
                      hexagon
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                      4 years ago

                      As if trump was anything other than a stupid neocon stooge

                      • QuillQuote [they/them]
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                        4 years ago

                        And what’s your point here? You’re not going anywhere with what you’re saying, you’re just continually backpedaling and getting further and further away from saying something with meaning

                        • AdamSandler [he/him]
                          hexagon
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                          4 years ago

                          My point is that the people in power are way worse than some trump chud

                          • Kaputnik [he/him]
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                            4 years ago

                            The people in power were the Trump Chuds they're petty bourgeois business owners and cops

                            • AdamSandler [he/him]
                              hexagon
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                              4 years ago

                              They were in power. Somewhat.

                              Every mega corporation in the world came out to denounce the trump rioters. (Except My Pillow) I feel like that means that they felt threatened by these riots.

                              • Kaputnik [he/him]
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                                4 years ago

                                Even if that's true, we shouldn't be supporting these people. Take a look at the thread stickied at the top today. That's what happens when these people get into power, there are real people who will suffer.

                                • AdamSandler [he/him]
                                  hexagon
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                                  4 years ago

                                  Maybe I’m a shitty person, but the fascist movement in America doesn’t really have enough support to get to the stage of the literal Holocaust. It would require total economic collapse for that.

                                  • Kaputnik [he/him]
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                                    4 years ago

                                    I mean they already have people in camps and the majority of Americans have forgotten about it, it would be an easy next step, that was how the holocaust started. And then a fascist government with the American military? The holocaust under fascist America would not be limited to their own country.

                                      • Kaputnik [he/him]
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                                        4 years ago

                                        What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Fascism in Germany was driven by a multitude of different factors but I assume you're going to be reductive and pick one aspect of German society that supports your strange defense for our modern day brownshirts

                                        • AdamSandler [he/him]
                                          hexagon
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                                          4 years ago

                                          I name a few. Already existing anti semitism mixed with a ruined economy, mixed with a recent humiliation, mixed with the bunker philosophy

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                This is what you get when you take "Democrats are bad too" and contort it into "Democrats are actually worse than Republicans."

                Not only does it make zero sense, but it actively stifles the growth of the left because anyone persuadable will look at that and think (correctly) that you don't have a clue.

      • Kaputnik [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I'm not gonna care when the conservatives/fascists are fighting each other. If anything their infighting is a weakness that the left should exploit, not support one flavour of racism over the other.