So basically there was this guy called Deng Xiaoping and he asked "hey what if socialism was when capitalism" and that's why China today is this bizarre socialist/capitalist hybrid that it is today
it's funny because you know the China-hating types here would be ranting about China's high poverty rate if they never abandoned the command economy. You just can't win
Oof. That seems a bit uninformed or reductive.
Obviously whether or not deng's (and the CPC, he's not alone on this) strategy worked or not is still debated, and it's still a very precarious position that china is in. But he didn't really "turn away" from mao zedong thought, in fact he specifically insisted to NOT do what russia did and keep mao zedong thought as a core guiding rule even thought they had a lot of good criticism applied to it at the time.
Kind of a huge complicated topic that i'm learning a lot about as well, but this video is a very good (although obviously biased but that doesn't matter, the info in it is still well sourced and explained) overall analysis of deng's strategy and its context : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZxb9cetw0
With all due respect, if you're not willing to engage with my source and are dismissing it in a petty way, I'm not going to engage with yours. I don't even know if I'd technically call bayarea "breadtube" considering most of breadtube thinks he's a tankie. That's fine tho, agree to disagree and all that, no joke.
if you’re not willing to engage with my source and are dismissing it in a petty way
I tend to agree with you but there are people that loathe video content. I know I'm one. When that happens I ask kindly if there's a transcript, mind you, I don't just say "I won't watch a youtube video".
Oh that's fair, I more disliked the way it was said immediately followed by "read a whole book" as if that's something I automatically have the energy and time to do. It feels like a cheap "i'm correct and you're wrong", a sort-of reverse "source?" with no attempt at dialogue.
Maybe i'm wrong, tone is hard in text, but that rubbed me the wrong way when I try very hard to talk like there's another human being on the other side.
"Deng Xiaoping was a Chinese politician who was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his resignation in November 1989. After Chairman Mao Zedong's death in 1976, Deng gradually rose to power and led China through a series of far-reaching market-economy reforms, which earned him the reputation as the "Architect of Modern China".
So I've heard this before but what does it mean?
So basically there was this guy called Deng Xiaoping and he asked "hey what if socialism was when capitalism" and that's why China today is this bizarre socialist/capitalist hybrid that it is today
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it's funny because you know the China-hating types here would be ranting about China's high poverty rate if they never abandoned the command economy. You just can't win
You know there are alternatives other than USSR style state capitalism or Chinese style market capitalism
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Deng was just a guy who liked both of his cats equally
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Oof. That seems a bit uninformed or reductive. Obviously whether or not deng's (and the CPC, he's not alone on this) strategy worked or not is still debated, and it's still a very precarious position that china is in. But he didn't really "turn away" from mao zedong thought, in fact he specifically insisted to NOT do what russia did and keep mao zedong thought as a core guiding rule even thought they had a lot of good criticism applied to it at the time. Kind of a huge complicated topic that i'm learning a lot about as well, but this video is a very good (although obviously biased but that doesn't matter, the info in it is still well sourced and explained) overall analysis of deng's strategy and its context : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZxb9cetw0
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With all due respect, if you're not willing to engage with my source and are dismissing it in a petty way, I'm not going to engage with yours. I don't even know if I'd technically call bayarea "breadtube" considering most of breadtube thinks he's a tankie. That's fine tho, agree to disagree and all that, no joke.
I tend to agree with you but there are people that loathe video content. I know I'm one. When that happens I ask kindly if there's a transcript, mind you, I don't just say "I won't watch a youtube video".
Oh that's fair, I more disliked the way it was said immediately followed by "read a whole book" as if that's something I automatically have the energy and time to do. It feels like a cheap "i'm correct and you're wrong", a sort-of reverse "source?" with no attempt at dialogue. Maybe i'm wrong, tone is hard in text, but that rubbed me the wrong way when I try very hard to talk like there's another human being on the other side.
Yeah, fully agreed, it was worded in a dick-ish dismissive way.
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What a fair and good faith comment.
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"Deng Xiaoping was a Chinese politician who was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his resignation in November 1989. After Chairman Mao Zedong's death in 1976, Deng gradually rose to power and led China through a series of far-reaching market-economy reforms, which earned him the reputation as the "Architect of Modern China".