Yeah that’s why people support North Korea. They really love empty communist aesthetics. Not because they have a command economy or democratic centralism or are besieged by Western powers after attempted genocide against them.
They don’t even really have communist aesthetics anymore, they talk more about Juche than Marxism-Leninism, and I haven’t seen them carry a portrait of Lenin or Marx at a military parade since Kim Jong-il was in charge.
Command economy =/= socialism. They don't even have a proper functioning command economy like the USSR, they are mostly liberalized. They are a capitalist country with nationalized businesses and a massive private black market. It's purely their aesthetics that attracts Western leftist support. No western leftist actually wants to implement the policies that NK implements.
Never said a command economy was socialist. But many Leninists support command economies as a transitional system to socialism, and since NK has a command economy, they support NK. Also they never “mostly liberalized”, attempts at liberalization within the special economic zones were largely failures. Most of the economy is state-owned.
You’re trying to come up with some weird logic as to why people disagree with you about NK. I’ll tell you now: people don’t disagree with you because they’re all fake radlib aesthetic-loving PMC idpol Western leftist red fascist authoritarian tankies.
They are moving on the path to liberalization, which is a good thing because they are ass at running a command economy. Their standard of living has improved since liberalization.
Okay but they aren’t completely liberalized, which was my point
duhhh you claim to like state ownership of the MOP and yet this non-socialist county does that !
This is the weirdest point that people bring up. Yeah no shit a state isn’t socialist because the government runs everything, but anyone with a brain can comprehend that nationalized industry is vastly preferable to private companies. Notice how the USSR didn’t experience the Great Depression? How they ensured food, housing, and healthcare for more of their population than Russia today? It’s not explicitly socialist, but any socialist should favor command economies over private ones. Like if France just privatized their railways and public utilities tomorrow I would hope that you would recognize that that’s a bad thing
anything anti-america is good
Sorry that people hate your country, but America in the last 50 years has invaded, slaughtered, raped, and murdered more innocent people than any other contemporary great power. Opposing America by supporting a lesser evil, like China or NK, is a perfectly fine position to have. If America collapsed tomorrow, socialism would be easier to achieve. Even third-world social democracies like Bolivia would be safer without threat of a CIA coup. Sounds like you’re just a mad ameriburger
It’s funny how “critical support” actually means “unconditional support” for idiots like you. Like is nothing about NK above reproach? The massive corruption, repression, mismanaged economy, hyper-nationalism. Is that all fine by you?
You’re doing exactly what I was talking about in the last paragraph of my last post lol. No, I’m not disagreeing with you on NK because I’m a North Korean nazi who thinks the country is literally perfect. Of course there is corruption, nationalism, whatever. I just like their economic system, or at least the concept of it, and I want to see it applied to other countries. Especially if we can do it with computers
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Korean unification is a long term goal of both countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reunification
I'm a communist, you're not if you think NK is some model we should follow. In fact, no Western leftist actually takes NK as a model, their "support" is purely based on aesthetics and completely misguided geopolitics. NK is already a capitalist country, joining SK doesnt require removing their sovereignity, at least they would drop their mismanaged command economy and enjoy some economic development.
The state performs the role of the capitalist for the large firms. They also have SEZs with foreign investment, they have a huge black market, and they also have many self-employed people. Quite a few of their businesses are state-run in writing but actually ran as private businesses. They also suffer from massive corruption all around.
Capitalism is not just markets and private ownership, the fundamental element in capitalism is commodity production. This is one of the key findings of Marx. It is a Stalinist revisionism that you can have "socialist commodity production".
Leftist theory : "North Korea deserves our support despite being a repressive corrupt dictatorship because they have communist aesthetics"
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Stop being so lazy. Get better material
Leftist theory : Speaking facts is being lazy.
Yeah that’s why people support North Korea. They really love empty communist aesthetics. Not because they have a command economy or democratic centralism or are besieged by Western powers after attempted genocide against them.
They don’t even really have communist aesthetics anymore, they talk more about Juche than Marxism-Leninism, and I haven’t seen them carry a portrait of Lenin or Marx at a military parade since Kim Jong-il was in charge.
Command economy =/= socialism. They don't even have a proper functioning command economy like the USSR, they are mostly liberalized. They are a capitalist country with nationalized businesses and a massive private black market. It's purely their aesthetics that attracts Western leftist support. No western leftist actually wants to implement the policies that NK implements.
Never said a command economy was socialist. But many Leninists support command economies as a transitional system to socialism, and since NK has a command economy, they support NK. Also they never “mostly liberalized”, attempts at liberalization within the special economic zones were largely failures. Most of the economy is state-owned.
You’re trying to come up with some weird logic as to why people disagree with you about NK. I’ll tell you now: people don’t disagree with you because they’re all fake radlib aesthetic-loving PMC idpol Western leftist red fascist authoritarian tankies.
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Okay but they aren’t completely liberalized, which was my point
This is the weirdest point that people bring up. Yeah no shit a state isn’t socialist because the government runs everything, but anyone with a brain can comprehend that nationalized industry is vastly preferable to private companies. Notice how the USSR didn’t experience the Great Depression? How they ensured food, housing, and healthcare for more of their population than Russia today? It’s not explicitly socialist, but any socialist should favor command economies over private ones. Like if France just privatized their railways and public utilities tomorrow I would hope that you would recognize that that’s a bad thing
Sorry that people hate your country, but America in the last 50 years has invaded, slaughtered, raped, and murdered more innocent people than any other contemporary great power. Opposing America by supporting a lesser evil, like China or NK, is a perfectly fine position to have. If America collapsed tomorrow, socialism would be easier to achieve. Even third-world social democracies like Bolivia would be safer without threat of a CIA coup. Sounds like you’re just a mad ameriburger
You’re doing exactly what I was talking about in the last paragraph of my last post lol. No, I’m not disagreeing with you on NK because I’m a North Korean nazi who thinks the country is literally perfect. Of course there is corruption, nationalism, whatever. I just like their economic system, or at least the concept of it, and I want to see it applied to other countries. Especially if we can do it with computers
Then I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about literal dogmatic North Korea lovers who refuse to listen to any criticism about it.
Wow I love south korea now
Leftist theory : Hating North Korea means you love South Korea.
Idk what do you think should happen to North Korea? Imo the country gets supported or it becomes part of South Korea
It becomes part of a country that is 20 times wealthier than it? Oh the horror
lmao, "stupid commies, North Korea isn't communist!" "So what if they become part of a US puppet capitalist country?"
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Korean unification is a long term goal of both countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reunification
I'm a communist, you're not if you think NK is some model we should follow. In fact, no Western leftist actually takes NK as a model, their "support" is purely based on aesthetics and completely misguided geopolitics. NK is already a capitalist country, joining SK doesnt require removing their sovereignity, at least they would drop their mismanaged command economy and enjoy some economic development.
So wait, they have a command economy but are also a capitalist country? And where are their capitalists? 🤣
The state performs the role of the capitalist for the large firms. They also have SEZs with foreign investment, they have a huge black market, and they also have many self-employed people. Quite a few of their businesses are state-run in writing but actually ran as private businesses. They also suffer from massive corruption all around.
Capitalism is not just markets and private ownership, the fundamental element in capitalism is commodity production. This is one of the key findings of Marx. It is a Stalinist revisionism that you can have "socialist commodity production".