It was pretty obvious that the Ukraine Russia Conflict was promoted by a highly coordinated propaganda push by the state department, which went largely unmentioned as a coordinated operation and succeeded in pretty much all aspects. I would assume that the same levers are being pulled in this conflict and we will see a similar level of true hegemony (in the control-over-discourse sense) exhibited by the west
Yeah it's actually pretty impressive how much the west has upped it's propaganda game in the past couple decades, from a machiavellian point of view. They've got everyone marching in lock-step. I think one thing that makes it so effective is that western propaganda doesn't just push 1 propaganda line, like the Soviets did. They have multiple (at least 3) competing narratives that contradict each other but create a spectacle that prevents any other dissent - they have the responsible hall monitor fact checker lib narrative (the NYT/WaPo channel), they have the reactionary oinking chud narrative (FOX, Epoch Times, Radio Free X, etc) & they have the controlled badjacketed outsider narrative. It would be some incoherent weirdo crank touching on certain good and correct points that everyone else avoids, and then combining that with out of left-field reactionary or non-sensical ideas (RFK Jr, Tucker Carlson, Ron Paul, Glenn Greenwald, Marianne Williamson, Elon Musk, Cornel West, etc).
These 3 narratives interweave and combine and just suffocate out everything else. There's a synthetic dialectic between the fact checkers and the chuds where they slam into each other and collide and scream at each other online, but nothing is actually moving or changing or connected to anything. They are playing a game basically.
That’s something I noticed as well. Best example of this is literally any Joe Biden Twitter post on the matter: Brandon claiming he is Israel’s number one fan, Chuds in the comments section pissing themselves over him unfreezing Iranian assets (as if a military operation like this could take only one month to prepare, with a fucking blockade and all) and how their Big Wet Boy would wave a magic wand and never allow this to happen (plus the Indian RSS detachment backing them up), and then a smaller segment of people posting lukewarm centrist takes that don’t even mention the other party and are so vague it may as well not been there. It looks really weird since this dynamic actually doesn’t block out entirely the upvoted comments mentioning Palestinian statistics or even outright unrestrained pro-Palestine sentiment. But the former three nonetheless have managed to wrangle the narrative because there’s just enough friction and energy to make it look like it’s the entire breadth of the discourse. And thus, Israel’s righteousness is presumed when the uninitiated gets curious and scrolls down.
People like to post a lot that joke about the Soviet ambassador looking at all the major news stations on TV and then turning to the Americans, who assume he’s going to be awed by the competing perspectives, and asking “why do they essentially all say the same thing?” but there’s something more insidiously effective underneath the surface about the way Western media works that that joke touches the tip of the iceberg.
I also think people were more willing to support when they thought there was no real chance of Palestine defending itself. People love an underdog but when Palestine returns a fraction of what Israel has done for decades, its framed as the unreasonable arrestor
It was pretty obvious that the Ukraine Russia Conflict was promoted by a highly coordinated propaganda push by the state department, which went largely unmentioned as a coordinated operation and succeeded in pretty much all aspects. I would assume that the same levers are being pulled in this conflict and we will see a similar level of true hegemony (in the control-over-discourse sense) exhibited by the west
Yeah it's actually pretty impressive how much the west has upped it's propaganda game in the past couple decades, from a machiavellian point of view. They've got everyone marching in lock-step. I think one thing that makes it so effective is that western propaganda doesn't just push 1 propaganda line, like the Soviets did. They have multiple (at least 3) competing narratives that contradict each other but create a spectacle that prevents any other dissent - they have the responsible hall monitor fact checker lib narrative (the NYT/WaPo channel), they have the reactionary oinking chud narrative (FOX, Epoch Times, Radio Free X, etc) & they have the controlled badjacketed outsider narrative. It would be some incoherent weirdo crank touching on certain good and correct points that everyone else avoids, and then combining that with out of left-field reactionary or non-sensical ideas (RFK Jr, Tucker Carlson, Ron Paul, Glenn Greenwald, Marianne Williamson, Elon Musk, Cornel West, etc).
These 3 narratives interweave and combine and just suffocate out everything else. There's a synthetic dialectic between the fact checkers and the chuds where they slam into each other and collide and scream at each other online, but nothing is actually moving or changing or connected to anything. They are playing a game basically.
That’s something I noticed as well. Best example of this is literally any Joe Biden Twitter post on the matter: Brandon claiming he is Israel’s number one fan, Chuds in the comments section pissing themselves over him unfreezing Iranian assets (as if a military operation like this could take only one month to prepare, with a fucking blockade and all) and how their Big Wet Boy would wave a magic wand and never allow this to happen (plus the Indian RSS detachment backing them up), and then a smaller segment of people posting lukewarm centrist takes that don’t even mention the other party and are so vague it may as well not been there. It looks really weird since this dynamic actually doesn’t block out entirely the upvoted comments mentioning Palestinian statistics or even outright unrestrained pro-Palestine sentiment. But the former three nonetheless have managed to wrangle the narrative because there’s just enough friction and energy to make it look like it’s the entire breadth of the discourse. And thus, Israel’s righteousness is presumed when the uninitiated gets curious and scrolls down.
People like to post a lot that joke about the Soviet ambassador looking at all the major news stations on TV and then turning to the Americans, who assume he’s going to be awed by the competing perspectives, and asking “why do they essentially all say the same thing?” but there’s something more insidiously effective underneath the surface about the way Western media works that that joke touches the tip of the iceberg.
This is such an apt analysis but also very joker pilling
I also think people were more willing to support when they thought there was no real chance of Palestine defending itself. People love an underdog but when Palestine returns a fraction of what Israel has done for decades, its framed as the unreasonable arrestor