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the innovation thing is mostly projection bc china has innovations in tech, (but really a lot of consumer tech has slowed its innovation in the last few years so it's not like there hasn't been a lack of innovation in the west in that realm either.) Also they straight up whip our asses in trains and shit like that. China has tons of apps and stuff it produces for themselves but most of us in the west probably aren't gonna go out of our way to learn about it and find first hand accounts since it won't be in english.
They're mostly just salty bc someone is taking their IP and doing what they want with it and making money off it when the westerners are supposed to have the sole rights. Look at the illegal production of replicas of limited supply streetwear shoes and shit like that.
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edit: just want to add, from a communist perspective this makes sense. Why would you waste resources reinventing the wheel when we already have knowledge about something and you have to tap dance around it superficially making it different bc of copyright law.
people usually think of and get hung up on things like the Matebooks/macbooks or other tech thats similar but this is very much like FOSS, if you want to make something or improve on another design, you just make a fork from their work and start changing it to suit your needs.
Throughout the 90s videogame console manufacturers had to deal with having inferior d-pad designs bc Nintendo held a trademark on the floating plus sign design, that's why playstation has that weird thing where the buttons are kinda disconnected. Now, ubisoft holds a trademark on the nemesis system in the LotR games which is a neat system for dynamic story telling but theres been nothing else released apart from those two games bc devs know ubisoft will take them to court.
In my work, I suspect avid has a patent on stacking multiple audio tracks on one track to conserve space for their pro tools software bc its a genius bit of tech and i've never encountered it in another DAW.
anyway it holds us back but westerners aint ready for that yet.
right on, i don't really like dpads in general but i remember reading something about speed runners lamenting the patent bc of third part controller support and the other consoles. it was just one of the first examples to come to mind
I used to hang out with some engineering types. They one guy talked about going to a Chinese factory that would use the machine tools to make tractor parts or whatever for themselves. They would run off however many the company ordered, then make a bunch for themselves. It got to be an issue when the parent company stopped using them and the factory wanted more tools so they could keep making them for domestic markets, or other markets. There was some vaguely technical explanation like that but the memories are kind of hazy.
Given that I have second hand knowledge of reasonable providence about just this thing. I could not even begin to care in the slightest. I am glad they are selling cheaper replacement parts to farmers for their tractors. I am glad they are under cutting the western company at their own game. Nothing of value is lost. No one is hurt. The world is better.
Yeah just cutting out one of the many useless middle men between manufacturing to sales legitimately does rules lol
Yeah, when I stopped smoking I used ecigs and got pretty into researching what kind of equipment was out there, and exactly this—companies would use Chinese firms for manufacture, and they’d just manufacture and sell their own versions.
I never gave a shit cause I didn’t have a ton of money.
Also fasttech is a cool site for cheap electronics if you can wait a few weeks for shipping
China making cut rate parts to sell to africa or on ebay isn't the problem if you are a guy in western manufacturing at a company that has already out sourced.
No matter what the bosses are taking theirs and fighting people who have even less isn't gonna make any sitatuon better
Unless you are in a weird situation those are your boss' customers not your's.
Contradictions of calitlaims and all that you know.
They are gonna replace you with someone from china anyway soon enough. That is the fate of all workers. Nickle and dimeing people in the third world isn't gonna fix that.
Shit, my job is one tax loophole away from being eliminated. So any time a senator gets bored I could be gone. That is what it means to be a worker.
None whatsoever. Since 2018 China has been the number 1 patent filer for the last 7 years (so literally the most innovative country every year for the last 10 years)
According to a World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) report in 2017, the number of invention patent applications filed to China's State Intellectual Property Office exceeded 1.3 million, ranking first in the world for seven consecutive years.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/201807/1110707.shtml
The other issue the Amerifats cry about is "forced technology transfer". Except it's not actually forced. China didn't beg for Apple/Microsoft and all the other companies to move their production to China.
If you want to do business in China you have to sign onto a joint venture program which are negotiated like any business deal. In many instances, yes, your technology gets siphoned off to the Chinese state who immediately push this tech into State owned companies.
This is good and based but no one forced Steve Jobs or Bill Gates or the millions of companies that were attracted to China so they didn't have to deal with local unions/environmental laws or labour protections to move their production to China and you can bet they had the worlds best lawyers looking over those documents, understanding the implications but thinking this'll be good for next years quarterly profits anyway
Are there no unions, labour protections or environmental laws in China?
And if it isn't that, then it's spying, which literally everybody does and China probably isn't even the best at it, so someone focusing on Chinese efforts is showing an agenda that has less to do a principled defense of intellectual property and more to do with nationalism.
Oh you're a troll, lol that's cute sweaty, you can go back to reddit now.
- Every time a new hegemon comes up, the old one accuses the new one of "stealing their inventions". The British also said it about the US.
- China had the rule that if a foreign company wanted to invest in China, they had to share their technology with a local partner. Those companies did that willingly.
- David Harvey has two episodes of "the anti-capitalist chronicles" in which he talkes about the Chinese economy and mentions this debate.
You mean this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfvx0Ll2IE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQk5zd4Y1A0 ?
I don't know what the name of the policy is, but it's been in place for as long as I can remember.
Companies willingly signed those types of deals mostly for two reasons (a) access to cheap labor supply (b) access to the immense Chinese market for their products.
The following quote is from a document by the US governement:
It probably does steal "intellectual property" but so does everyone else. The doesnt innovate is bullshit, and whoever is talking to you about innovation should be punched in the face.
I meant it in a general way, because most of the time innovation is either an empty buzzword, a placeholder for weakening regulations and labor rights, or an excuse for money laundering by saudi princes
Hey folks, hear this joke i just came up with:
"I wish i were high on potenuse".
There are a large number of Chinese CP members who move abroad, and get jobs in American & European companies with valuable IP. By slowing working up the chain, they are able to gain access to increasingly protected technical secrets. On the other hand, the companies can't afford to turn down their assistance, because then their competitors would stomp them with the added cheap labor they'd be passing up.
business reality is if you are a foreign company operating in china you need to assume everything you do inside the country is compromised
"but that's the same as the west!" you cry, but no it isn't, because in China all your IP ends up with local competitors until you are eventually driven out of the market by cheaper versions of your own technology
you are free to argue whether this is based or not
China yoinked some nuclear tech back in the 90s and people have been saying this ever since
I don't know all the details its just something I remember from when I was like ten. The evil Chinese hackers were a thing people wouldn't shut up about.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/25/cox.report.02/
Apparently China gets accused of hacking every few years though. I just found that out. But this is the story I remember
