Does anybody have link to a page (ideally Wikipedia or similar or the NYT or WaPo) that I can show that Israel is committing war crimes by denying civilians (in other words people) - food, water, medical care, etc?

I want to share it with libs instead of having a moronic arguments and having a feeling of [redacted]. Ideally - I want to simply want to share the link and the short(-ish) quote, have the last word, and leave.

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I googled - of course - but google is really becoming a hot garbage dumpster fire.

The only thing I found that was remotely useful is The Siege of Gaza and the Starvation War Crime - justsecurity.org. A problem is that I don't want to argue with libs about the justsecurity.org website. I don't know anything about it. Another problem is there's actually way too much info and there are way too many legal details.

If I shared a page like that. And I couldn't resist coming back to the thread hours later - I will have another feeling of [redacted] again if the lib had said "The page is too long so I can't verify your quote that you likely took out of context." or "I'm not a lawyer so won't read that page." or they wrote some other annoying nonsense.

  • FunkyStuff [he/him]
    hexbear
    11
    8 months ago

    I'd just share https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/gaza-cut-off-from-food-water-and-fuel-as-israels-punishing-bombardment-continues and https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-33

    The PBS link has it directly in the headline and pretty much anyone can agree collective punishment of civilians is a war crime, they don't need to read the entire Geneva convention.

  • ratboy [they/them]
    hexbear
    7
    8 months ago

    I mean, honestly I think that that source is going to be as factual as you can get, it seems. The first couple pf paragraphs lay out plainly that Israel is committing a war crime. This site describes as justsecurity.org as a center-left website with high reliability for reporting. The people who run the site also all seem to have legal/federal backgrounds that are specifically focused on foreign affairs and such.

    I think the issue is knowing that it doesn't matter how many factual, as unbiased sources as you can muster, people do not care and will fight you, or back out of the conversation entirely because they are just trolling you for emotional labor. This has been my exclusive experience on Reddit. I will provide irrefutable evidence from sources like the fucking FBI, which of course a lib would trust, or state health agencies, etc. and the person who was arguing with me for two days just vanishes. I do enjoy having a good copy/paste effortpost to be able to insert where it's appropriate, though, in hopes that someone out there reads it and it helps to shift their perspectve a bit.

  • @thefartographer@lemm.ee
    hexbear
    6
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    Well before this war, there were numerous international laws being broken and crimes against humanity. The one that's always bothered me the most was when Israel would claim more territory and then claim the Palestinians had built illegal settlements. One time, my cousin's parents were taking me to pick up my cousin from his military base and I saw Israeli tanks driving at high speed through house after house in what looked like a poor suburb behind a large fence.

    I asked if they were running drills and I was told, "no, the Palestinians had to leave their homes while the land was under dispute, so our government is making sure they don't have homes to return to." That was the first time I began to understand why my aunt cried when "PeePee" Netanyahu was elected.

  • @ZeroEcks@lemmy.ml
    hexbear
    3
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    Human rights watch got a post up today showing photos of Israel using air burst white phosphorus on Gaza from artillery.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon

    I don't love em but they aren't wrong on this and there's undeniable proof in the photos.

  • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
    hexbear
    2
    8 months ago

    Oh, so I'm not the only one struggling. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1523489/ I found that one, but I know in the Palestine subreddit (which is likely private rn or even cancelled), they'd post videos of stuff like Isreali trooper vehicles blocking ambulances and of course the usual shit of shooting kids in the back for fun.