Was trying out Victoria 2 after a long time of not touching it, installed HPM and looked up some guides to try to re-learn how ideology worked. Came across a post with this picture and found it unintentionally hilarious.

"Nuuuuu not my bourgeois burgerino democracy! The settler-colonial dream is ruined forever! The huddle masses shall no longer yearn to breathe free!

African-Americans? Native-Americans? Women? Workers? The millions of European refugees come next world war? What are those?"

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Honestly I think it's more just the team at Paradox not understanding politics. They do the exact same thing in HoI4 where "Socialism" (combining both demsocs and socdems) is a sub-ideology of "Democracy".

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Right. Even more compounded by how all communist countries fall into “Totalitarian Regime” status. Thankfully, mods with actual political literate creators exist.

        • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          It's a good start but I'd make some changes.

          I'd replace "Democratic" with "Reformist/Moderate" (since it otherwise implies that the democratic process doesn't exist in the other two) and maybe "Authoritarian" with "Vanguard".

          Maybe "Nationalism" could be changed to "Reactionary" since I don't see Monarchists necessarily being Nationalists, while Despotists are unaffiliated altogether. Replace "Capitalism" with "Liberal Democracy" while using KR's labels of "Social Conservative/Liberal". Of course, SocDems should be put here as well.

          Let subideologies fill in the rest.

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Having played TNO and KR a bit, I still have absolutely no idea of the differences between the subtypes of democracy, and I feel like Despotism is less an ideology than it is a circumstance brought about by external powers propping up a leader.

          Also, it'd be better not to use political compass terminology, and I would rename "Democratic Socialism" to "Reformist Socialism".

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah, but I'd still just call it "Anarchism" or something. I'll admit to not being too well-versed in history, but I'm pretty sure that at the time of WWII that would be the dominant form of libertarian socialism.

          • barrbaric [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Spanish anarcho-syndicalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_del_Trabajo