Was trying out Victoria 2 after a long time of not touching it, installed HPM and looked up some guides to try to re-learn how ideology worked. Came across a post with this picture and found it unintentionally hilarious.
"Nuuuuu not my bourgeois burgerino democracy! The settler-colonial dream is ruined forever! The huddle masses shall no longer yearn to breathe free!
African-Americans? Native-Americans? Women? Workers? The millions of European refugees come next world war? What are those?"
Hearts of Iron is literally "play as Germany and do what the Nazis couldn't, we wont mention the Holocaust because we don't want you to feel bad". It's still a great game and I will continue playing them forever, but it's telling players to go be the bad guy. It even buffs Germany to insane levels, like the USSR has a shit army when the game starts, also the Purges severely cripple you for quite some time, meanwhile the absolute dogshit operational/strategic decisions made by the German High Command are not represented in the game as any sort of "debuff" or "national flavour", generals like Guderian and von Manstein (which were kinda dumb irl) are super great and have great stats.
When you write AARs in the forums, you can't mention what happens with prisoners, civilians or anything related to war crimes (At least, you couldn't, back in the day). There are a FUCKTON of people LARPing as some shit fascist Spain reconquering the Americas and since the true face of fascism can't be exposed, the horrendous tendency to commit genocides, they get away with it, they get to be the "clean guy, we're just conquering lol" when in reality they're just cancer. This is one of the reasons of why I like TNO, the mod just tells you: "Yo, Fascism and Nazism sucks balls and here are 80000 reasons why", if fash are playing TNO thinking "Yo, Himmler is great lmao I love Burgundian systems now" they're fucking idiots, like those who don't get the point of Fallout.
It's a shame because Hearts of Iron are good games, but Paradox is missing (on purpose?) a MASSIVE opportunity to show why Nazism sucks through a fun videogame, why it's a broken system that will NEVER work. Eh, but I guess g*mers don't need to think too much about that...
At least it's true to Vicky 2's politics being extremely cursed, what with shit like the anarcho-liberals, or referring to socdems as socialists.
It is extremely cool that the wiki's page of ideologies has a giant fuckin' hammer and sickle at the top though. https://vic2.paradoxwikis.com/Ideology
I think the SocDem/Socialist thing is to represent genuine socialist parties drifting towards Social Democracy, like the German SPD. Though, if that were the case, why not simply represent different wings as different parties? They already do that in-game for other parties (ie Democrats and Dixiecrats are Conservatives and Reactionaries respectively).
Honestly I think it's more just the team at Paradox not understanding politics. They do the exact same thing in HoI4 where "Socialism" (combining both demsocs and socdems) is a sub-ideology of "Democracy".
Right. Even more compounded by how all communist countries fall into “Totalitarian Regime” status. Thankfully, mods with actual political literate creators exist.
It's a good start but I'd make some changes.
I'd replace "Democratic" with "Reformist/Moderate" (since it otherwise implies that the democratic process doesn't exist in the other two) and maybe "Authoritarian" with "Vanguard".
Maybe "Nationalism" could be changed to "Reactionary" since I don't see Monarchists necessarily being Nationalists, while Despotists are unaffiliated altogether. Replace "Capitalism" with "Liberal Democracy" while using KR's labels of "Social Conservative/Liberal". Of course, SocDems should be put here as well.
Let subideologies fill in the rest.
Having played TNO and KR a bit, I still have absolutely no idea of the differences between the subtypes of democracy, and I feel like Despotism is less an ideology than it is a circumstance brought about by external powers propping up a leader.
Also, it'd be better not to use political compass terminology, and I would rename "Democratic Socialism" to "Reformist Socialism".
Wasn't Libertarian left-wing before it got hijacked by Lolberts and ancaps?
Yeah, but I'd still just call it "Anarchism" or something. I'll admit to not being too well-versed in history, but I'm pretty sure that at the time of WWII that would be the dominant form of libertarian socialism.
Spanish anarcho-syndicalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_del_Trabajo
anarcho-liberals
Didnt realize Vaush was born in the 19th Century.
anarcho-liberals
When you vaguely know about the Chartists but refuse to look them up before putting them into your xix century game.
The Soviet Propaganda about America was always on point :marx-ok:
lol God damn. Are you playing as communist America or are you playing as a lib country in this shot? Because it could be that it's written from the point of view of your own government, at least that's how these kinds of announcements seem to work in other Paradox games.
From the screenshot, it looks like the OP was playing Communist Greece.
Well that's stupid then. A communist country should see a message like "Our comrades in $country_name$ have finally overthrown the bourgeoisie!", then libs see this message, and fascists see a message like "The Jews have taken control of $country_name$! We must fight this degeneracy." Though maybe that last one is a bit too spicy for Paradox.
Yeah. Even socialists who dislike Marxist-Leninism would prefer an ML America over a potential capitalist superpower in the Western hemisphere (Aside from some anarchists maybe).
I'd think "degenerates" would be better than "Jews". Conspiratorial anti-semitism within Fascism, while it certainly existed before, didn't really take off until the Russian Revolution and the proliferation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Plus, all the potential fascist regimes in Asia who would pick a different scapegoat.
