right, it's a trade off that can produce efficient equitable governance, but usually ends up being incredibly isolating to devout citizens and provides a fertile landscape for radicalization (against socialism). You can also throw in a human rights argument, but I assume we are all familiar with that aspect already. It's important as socialists to look closely at what the attitudes of socialist parties toward religions were in the past, and make improvements where needed. I definitely wouldn't say that I have all the answers myself.