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...So you pick up a history book to figure out US's angle

From Peter Dale Scotts: American War Machine-Deep Politics, The Cia and the Global Drug Connection, and the Road to Afghanistan

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TL:DR the US turned Burma-Laos and Thailand into a heroin growing triangle (The Golden Triangle) much like they did with the Mafia in Sicily and Marseilles.

The Drug traffickers and drug money became a huge way of CIA to implant bourgeois ideology and suppress communists and the growing popularity of the PRC. They even used ex-Nazis as agents for drug smuggling. It also gave US unfettered access to Myanmars tungsten reserves.

This enitre coalition was directed at China of course.

  • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    It seems ridiculous, but something about the protests seem off to me. They have the exact same aesthetics and similar tactics to the HK protests, and everyone seems way too well coordinated and equipped. Every time the US gets involved in a "pro democracy" protest they tend to adopt the same weird, reddity, westernized aesthetic (they're holding up the Hunger Games three-finger salutes FFS). It turns into a bunch of black-shirted young people holding up quotable signs in perfect English, no matter what country they're in. And I'm not saying Thailand's government is worth supporting - they're an absolute monarchy and the king is a total sleazebag - but they seem to have pretty normalized relations with China...

      • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Sometimes this is different in countries with American influence or a large English speaking population, but when a protest's demands are "democracy" without ideology and their aesthetic appeals to western audiences, it's always a reason to at least be skeptical.

        Like, remember when Overwatch characters were going to save Hong Kong :agony-limitless:

      • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Wait they went ML? I actually hadnt heard about that. I guess the last few pro democracy protests ive seen have just put a bad taste in my mouth but I'd be interested to learn more

          • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Lottt of CIA fronts here comrade

            https://www.ned.org/region/asia/thailand-2019/

              • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                The “Thai Poor Act” is not the fucking “Assembly of the Poor”

                So In Land Destroyers article he says it's not the same name but he found a youtube channel with a similar name. So he puts a question mark over that one.

                So you've "debunked" 1 out of the 3 organistations 2 of which are on NED/CIAs website

                you disengenous right wing shit

                Wew lad. Yup I'm right wing forehead

                  • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    And iLAW gets most of its money from outside the NED.

                    Well I'm glad to hear ILAW is only partially funded by :cia: lol

                    • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                      4 years ago

                      According to an article by The Nation, iLAW was "established on May 24, 2014 and funded by foreign organisations." [1] This article was purged from The Nation's website between March 2020 and now.

                      Also, iLAW was founded by Sirikan Charoensiri. Charoensiri was awarded the US State Department's International Women of Courage Award. The award was given to her by Melania Trump lmao [2]

                      @JoeySteel, it's very "Right-wing" of you to oppose Melania's favorite activist.

                      According to Tony Cartalucci, iLAW was organized out of the US Embassy in Bangkok during the 2014 coup. [3] He claims their funding was previously listed on the NED's website, but it has since been purged. That would match the pattern I saw with The Nation, but I don't have the time to dig through Archive.org more right now.

                      I did not know Tony Cartalucci before today. His record shows that he was correctly identifying US regime change tactics in Syria, Hong Kong & Libya at a time where the US "Left" was tacitly supporting regime change. [4]

                      @ButtBidet if you actually have connections to communists in Thailand, you should agitate that US State Department infiltration in the protest movement must be addressed first and foremost.

                      Hong Kong, Ukraine, Libya, and countless others prove that there is no progressive move forward so long as it serves the interests of US imperialism. And right now, it seems the US State Department is the biggest mover.

                        • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                          4 years ago

                          I can't believe you still have no hesitation carrying water for Melania Trumps' favorite activist & a Right-wing regime change operation.

                          But I guess the Trump family and the Shinawatra family are nothing compared a "Right-wing blogger." They are just Right-wing oligarchs who shape the world we live in, perfectly acceptable allies.

                          There's nothing more to debate here. If your connections in Thailand want to ignore the degree to which this protest movement connects back to Thaksin Shinawatra, they are just going to repeat the situation in Hong Kong & embarrass themselves on the international stage.

                            • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                              4 years ago

                              I’ve done nothing but criticize them.

                              You just told me that centering US State Department infiltration in protest movements is "concern trolling." You have done everything but criticize them.

                              Meanwhile, please tell me where I have supported the Thai military or monarchy. I already called out the largest Thai capitalist, he just so happens to support the protests.

                                • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
                                  ·
                                  4 years ago

                                  Yes. Some rando Westerner telling Thai activists, with all the problems that they have, what they need to center their shit on is concern trolling.

                                  I've spent the past decade organizing against US regime change operations branded as "Left-wing protest movements."

                                  If these Thai activists don't understand the strategy and tactics deployed in color revolutions, they will just carry water for the US State Department. It won't be the first time activists have done so.

                                  And your source on “infiltration” is unabashedly fash.

                                  The Nation and the US State Department's website are unabashedly fascist, I know. That's why their support of their protests is concerning me, and why I cited them.

                                  Literally please go Google “richest in Thailand”. You’re not even in the top ten.

                                  Google's list of "richest people in Thailand" has no bearing on the most powerful capitalists. Jimmy Lai, the largest capitalist in Hong Kong, is not publicly listed as the wealthiest person in Hong Kong either.

                                  Would you actually like Marxist analysis of Thailand?

                                  Sure, I'll read another Marxist analysis of Thailand.