can’t be a good leftist if youre comfortable using racially charged language.
You brought up the racially charged language, not me, I never called them "irrelevant jungle people".
Cuba’s got a pretty unified culture
Not at all. Cuba was a settler state, just like the US was. Cuba was also ruled by a dictatorship which held a lot of sway with the bourgeoisie of the country as well as many people from other classes, and soft slavery was widespread.
the US would not have cared about them as much during the Cold War if they hadn’t viewed them as a soviet puppet state
They were a threat by default by virtue of deposing a US puppet dictator, moving away from the US while holding such an important geopolitical location (thus making them susceptible to influence by the USSR EVEN IF they didn't move towards them at first, which would be silly anyways because then they wouldn't be able to properly trade with anyone), and kicking out American businesses. They wouldn't be seen as a threat if they aligned themselves to the US but there wouldn't really be a point in that, would it?
yeah, I'm not gonna engage with someone who can't do basic introspection about just watching their language to make sure theyre not being racist. that's a vaush type beat I don't fuck with.
? You imagined I was being racist or using racist language because I talked about the Chiapas being in the jungle. You said I was dismissing them as "irrelevant jungle people" because it somehow seemed to you like that's what I was doing because you read my post in a hurry or something. The place the Zapatistas live in is literally called the Lacandon jungle. It's about as impossible to talk about the geopolitics of the place they live in without bringing up the massive jungle as it is to talk about Cuba without bringing up it being an island. The point is that it's a 2 million hectare jungle, a part of which is completely untouched, there are no military bases, there is not much of interest there for Mexico.
your language seemed racially charged. I suggested you just tone that done going forward, you responded with several walls of text justifying that racially charged language. this is on you buddy.
What was the racially charged language beyond what you imagined? You fake quoted something I didn't say. Like, just quote the part of my post that was racially charged. Is "jungle" racially charged?
They’re just a handful of people living in small villages in a jungle of little geopolitical importance.
unlike the Chiapas which is just some place in the jungle.
you keep going back to this, and it sounds like it could very easily turn into racism. I'm asking you just watch that it doesn't. idk why you're freaking out over the insinuation that you should be careful not to be racist.
Because when you're insinuating that what someone is saying "can turn" into racism or that it is "racially charged" when it clearly isn't and fake quoting stuff, you're just casting suspicion to delegitimize what they're saying for no good reason. The Chiapas is literally some place in the jungle (well not the whole thing, but the area in which they live very much is), and they do live in small villages in the Lacandon jungle. This is important not because it somehow says something about them, but because it being a jungle with no infrastructure, it is of little concern to Mexico. Mexico actually gave the ownership of a big chunk of the jungle to the native Lacandon people years before the Zapatista uprising.
my issue is not you pointing out that theyre located in a jungle, but that you seem to not be a super big fan of an indigenous movement that refuses to industrialize, and I'm asking you hey, make sure you don't actually say out loud that their way of living is inferior. I'm not saying you do or don't think that, I'm just asking you not to.
but that you seem to not be a super big fan of an indigenous movement that refuses to industrialize
This is also something that's not in my posts, I said from the very start what they did is genuinely incredible, the fact that they refuse to industrialize is not to cast shade on them, it is to point out a significant way in which they are different from Cuba.
You brought up the racially charged language, not me, I never called them "irrelevant jungle people".
Not at all. Cuba was a settler state, just like the US was. Cuba was also ruled by a dictatorship which held a lot of sway with the bourgeoisie of the country as well as many people from other classes, and soft slavery was widespread.
They were a threat by default by virtue of deposing a US puppet dictator, moving away from the US while holding such an important geopolitical location (thus making them susceptible to influence by the USSR EVEN IF they didn't move towards them at first, which would be silly anyways because then they wouldn't be able to properly trade with anyone), and kicking out American businesses. They wouldn't be seen as a threat if they aligned themselves to the US but there wouldn't really be a point in that, would it?
yeah, I'm not gonna engage with someone who can't do basic introspection about just watching their language to make sure theyre not being racist. that's a vaush type beat I don't fuck with.
? You imagined I was being racist or using racist language because I talked about the Chiapas being in the jungle. You said I was dismissing them as "irrelevant jungle people" because it somehow seemed to you like that's what I was doing because you read my post in a hurry or something. The place the Zapatistas live in is literally called the Lacandon jungle. It's about as impossible to talk about the geopolitics of the place they live in without bringing up the massive jungle as it is to talk about Cuba without bringing up it being an island. The point is that it's a 2 million hectare jungle, a part of which is completely untouched, there are no military bases, there is not much of interest there for Mexico.
your language seemed racially charged. I suggested you just tone that done going forward, you responded with several walls of text justifying that racially charged language. this is on you buddy.
What was the racially charged language beyond what you imagined? You fake quoted something I didn't say. Like, just quote the part of my post that was racially charged. Is "jungle" racially charged?
you keep going back to this, and it sounds like it could very easily turn into racism. I'm asking you just watch that it doesn't. idk why you're freaking out over the insinuation that you should be careful not to be racist.
Because when you're insinuating that what someone is saying "can turn" into racism or that it is "racially charged" when it clearly isn't and fake quoting stuff, you're just casting suspicion to delegitimize what they're saying for no good reason. The Chiapas is literally some place in the jungle (well not the whole thing, but the area in which they live very much is), and they do live in small villages in the Lacandon jungle. This is important not because it somehow says something about them, but because it being a jungle with no infrastructure, it is of little concern to Mexico. Mexico actually gave the ownership of a big chunk of the jungle to the native Lacandon people years before the Zapatista uprising.
my issue is not you pointing out that theyre located in a jungle, but that you seem to not be a super big fan of an indigenous movement that refuses to industrialize, and I'm asking you hey, make sure you don't actually say out loud that their way of living is inferior. I'm not saying you do or don't think that, I'm just asking you not to.
This is also something that's not in my posts, I said from the very start what they did is genuinely incredible, the fact that they refuse to industrialize is not to cast shade on them, it is to point out a significant way in which they are different from Cuba.