I was a liberal back when I watched it so I might give it a rewatch.
but a critique of jojo is that I think it lacks subtlety/generality. that's a problem because the movie is a critique of ideology (specifically of the fascist kind). it feels like a movie for libs/conservatives; to reassure them of the righteousness of their ideology. like, yea no shit fascism is bad, but what is to be said about the ideological paradigm we are stuck in? nothing. we're perfectly fine where we are is all that the movie offers imo.
like the other commentor said, its overtly american centric(americans in Berlin at liberation). consistent with that is the unsophisticated understanding of fascism.
it's a film which very overtly advocates for liberal democracy.
I think it's almost necessary. I mean, in this thread, there are people misinterpreting a movie you said wasn't subtle enough. It happens constantly, especially wth political art.
if the movie had been set during the spanish civil war, it would have provoked some thought as it would have been a more subtle show of facism. Johansson's character could have been a leftist, the Jewish girl as well. but no, it has to be set in nazi germany.
the liberal's understanding of fascism begins and ends with the holocaust + authoritarianism.
that's my entire criticism. nazi germany is most absurd form of fascism in history. there are forms of fascism that will challenge the liberal's definition of fascism. nazi germany is not that form. it's just a feel good movie.
The movie is about how hypocritical and stupid fascism is. It's telling you not to give fascists not the slightest amount of respect. This is good at deprogramming liberals who think fascists are "efficient, but bad guys." Also no neo-nazi or white nationalist is gonna see that movie and like it. It's basically the same ideology as Mel Brooks, deny the facsists power in the language of culture. Intentional or not, it has some elements of Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism.
It’s basically the same ideology as Mel Brooks, deny the facsists power in the language of culture
yea. because culture are the only grounds to which we have access(essentially our consumer decisions lol). there's little access to the grounds of politics and no access whatsoever to economy. that's the american and eu predicament, and the movie is an expression of it. hence, the movie is shallow from a leftist perspective.
I wish it had some more elements of Ur-Fascism. I'd go so far as to say setting the movie in nazi germany was a mistake. Using 'Hitler bad' to make a political point gets eyerolls because its low effort. Using Nazi germany to understand fascism is also low effort.
The liberal/conservative's understanding of fascism is sketchy. Out attitude towards Franco's spain is generally positive, our attitude on Mussolini is fairly malleable. had it been set in either of those places, it would have been more thought provoking. but it's not, it's a liberal ass movie.
I was a liberal back when I watched it so I might give it a rewatch.
but a critique of jojo is that I think it lacks subtlety/generality. that's a problem because the movie is a critique of ideology (specifically of the fascist kind). it feels like a movie for libs/conservatives; to reassure them of the righteousness of their ideology. like, yea no shit fascism is bad, but what is to be said about the ideological paradigm we are stuck in? nothing. we're perfectly fine where we are is all that the movie offers imo.
like the other commentor said, its overtly american centric(americans in Berlin at liberation). consistent with that is the unsophisticated understanding of fascism.
it's a film which very overtly advocates for liberal democracy.
Subtlety is bad
I cant stand art where the meaning of it is spelled out for the audience...just my taste.
I think it's almost necessary. I mean, in this thread, there are people misinterpreting a movie you said wasn't subtle enough. It happens constantly, especially wth political art.
if the movie had been set during the spanish civil war, it would have provoked some thought as it would have been a more subtle show of facism. Johansson's character could have been a leftist, the Jewish girl as well. but no, it has to be set in nazi germany.
the liberal's understanding of fascism begins and ends with the holocaust + authoritarianism.
that's my entire criticism. nazi germany is most absurd form of fascism in history. there are forms of fascism that will challenge the liberal's definition of fascism. nazi germany is not that form. it's just a feel good movie.
The movie is about how hypocritical and stupid fascism is. It's telling you not to give fascists not the slightest amount of respect. This is good at deprogramming liberals who think fascists are "efficient, but bad guys." Also no neo-nazi or white nationalist is gonna see that movie and like it. It's basically the same ideology as Mel Brooks, deny the facsists power in the language of culture. Intentional or not, it has some elements of Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism.
yea. because culture are the only grounds to which we have access(essentially our consumer decisions lol). there's little access to the grounds of politics and no access whatsoever to economy. that's the american and eu predicament, and the movie is an expression of it. hence, the movie is shallow from a leftist perspective.
I wish it had some more elements of Ur-Fascism. I'd go so far as to say setting the movie in nazi germany was a mistake. Using 'Hitler bad' to make a political point gets eyerolls because its low effort. Using Nazi germany to understand fascism is also low effort.
The liberal/conservative's understanding of fascism is sketchy. Out attitude towards Franco's spain is generally positive, our attitude on Mussolini is fairly malleable. had it been set in either of those places, it would have been more thought provoking. but it's not, it's a liberal ass movie.