If you read a report of residential (sorry was wrong word) schools in usa or australia or canada for native Americans from liberal source, what would be the markers of difference with re-education camps in china? The only thing I see is the age of students
If there was evidence of China separating families, forbidding native languages, erasing all references to Uighur cultural identity, and sterilizing women - I would reconsider my position.
The only thing I see is the age of students
You are either whitewashing American crimes against indigenous people, or pushing unverified genocide allegations against China. Which is it?
Like, I actually cannot believe you wrote that. What the fuck.
I’m strictly referring to the practice of carrying of young Native American children to schools circa start of 20th century I think, not wider american genocide. The alleged goal was to integrate native americans by force into “civilized” society.
If my post reads like I’m dismissing other crimes, I apologize, maybe I should be more precise in wording.
Separation of families is precisely the allegation against china, no? main difference is that kids are not ripped from family at non-speaking age, and their language forgotten, so that’s a plus.
Yeah boarding schools aren't re-education camps. How they relate is that supposedly children with both parents detained get put into orphanages or boarding schools (according to research from Zenz). In this case I'm inclined to believe the claim as it makes sense that children in these circumstances can't just be left alone. It also doesn't seem to be that big of deal since at least from the sources I've seen, people in the re-education camps maintain regular contact with family members remotely.
What is the evidence for this? Even the BBC's coverage of the vocational school highlighted the fact that attendants at the schools went home at night. Are you saying Uighurs can't bring their children to class?
Many of those reeducation camps have dorms where inmates live. Meanwhile, their children are put in boarding schools. Uighurs who move abroad have their children placed in orphaniches.
If you're not familiar with these practices, you clearly have not been paying attention. I'm not discussing this with you further. Educate yourself first.
I mean, Zenz being the author in and of itself doesn't prove this isn't happening to be fair.
The guardian article I found on the matter does indeed cite this Zenz article though lol: https://adrianzenz.medium.com/story-45d07b25bcad
Zenz cites spreadsheets from a "cache of over 25000 files from different government departments" which contain numbers on children in "difficult circumstances".
Honestly I'm inclined to believe him in this case considering how relatively common boarding schools seem to be in China and CGTN even made a video about them. That being said, I was under the impression they could still keep in touch with each over remotely based on the CGTN video and also on some supposedly leaked documents I saw a while ago: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6558510-China-Cables-Telegram-English.html
Family education. Through letter writing, phone calls, video chats, visits, meetings,
meals, etc., establish a mechanism for students and relatives to interact with each other, to
ensure that the students will have a phone conversation with their relatives at least once a
week, and meet via video at least once a month, to make their family feel at ease and the
students feel safe.
Honestly I’m inclined to believe him in this case considering how relatively common boarding schools seem to be in China
That's a really effective way to make propaganda.
Boarding schools become forced and as evil as residential schools. Programs to bring in temporary labourers for seasonal work become slaves picking cotton.
And I quoted the "cultural" part. Cultural genocide is the intentional destruction of cultural artifacts and the eradication of a cultural identity.
Neither of these are cultural genocide.
If you read a report of residential (sorry was wrong word) schools in usa or australia or canada for native Americans from liberal source, what would be the markers of difference with re-education camps in china? The only thing I see is the age of students
If there was evidence of China separating families, forbidding native languages, erasing all references to Uighur cultural identity, and sterilizing women - I would reconsider my position.
You are either whitewashing American crimes against indigenous people, or pushing unverified genocide allegations against China. Which is it?
Like, I actually cannot believe you wrote that. What the fuck.
I’m strictly referring to the practice of carrying of young Native American children to schools circa start of 20th century I think, not wider american genocide. The alleged goal was to integrate native americans by force into “civilized” society.
If my post reads like I’m dismissing other crimes, I apologize, maybe I should be more precise in wording.
Separation of families is precisely the allegation against china, no? main difference is that kids are not ripped from family at non-speaking age, and their language forgotten, so that’s a plus.
What is your evidence of this? Even the BBC's coverage of the camp covered the fact that students are only at the schools during the day.
CGTN made a couple videos providing more context for the boarding schools: https://youtu.be/fQuBCf_vWZY https://youtu.be/x99g4kua5s0
Basically education is mandatory and boarding schools make logistical sense due to how spread out people are in rural areas like those in Xinjiang.
I'll watch, this seems different than the schools that the BBC & CGTN were covering back in 2018.
Yeah boarding schools aren't re-education camps. How they relate is that supposedly children with both parents detained get put into orphanages or boarding schools (according to research from Zenz). In this case I'm inclined to believe the claim as it makes sense that children in these circumstances can't just be left alone. It also doesn't seem to be that big of deal since at least from the sources I've seen, people in the re-education camps maintain regular contact with family members remotely.
China is literally separating families though. They don't get to keep their children in the internment camps.
What is the evidence for this? Even the BBC's coverage of the vocational school highlighted the fact that attendants at the schools went home at night. Are you saying Uighurs can't bring their children to class?
Many of those reeducation camps have dorms where inmates live. Meanwhile, their children are put in boarding schools. Uighurs who move abroad have their children placed in orphaniches.
If you're not familiar with these practices, you clearly have not been paying attention. I'm not discussing this with you further. Educate yourself first.
Post a source that doesn't trace back to Zenz.
I mean, Zenz being the author in and of itself doesn't prove this isn't happening to be fair.
The guardian article I found on the matter does indeed cite this Zenz article though lol: https://adrianzenz.medium.com/story-45d07b25bcad
Zenz cites spreadsheets from a "cache of over 25000 files from different government departments" which contain numbers on children in "difficult circumstances".
Honestly I'm inclined to believe him in this case considering how relatively common boarding schools seem to be in China and CGTN even made a video about them. That being said, I was under the impression they could still keep in touch with each over remotely based on the CGTN video and also on some supposedly leaked documents I saw a while ago: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6558510-China-Cables-Telegram-English.html
That's a really effective way to make propaganda.
Boarding schools become forced and as evil as residential schools. Programs to bring in temporary labourers for seasonal work become slaves picking cotton.
It's not my job to dig through the internet for years old articles on your behalf.
As I said, if you haven't at least seen these allegations before, you're not paying attention and you're not worth talking to.
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With the Xinjiang camps, I haven't seen evidence of and/or have seen evidence suggesting the lack of:
You can never show evidence that proves something isn't happening.
Show me evidence that you don't beat your wife.
Yeah hence why I said 'suggesting' instead of 'proving'
Okay.
Where's the evidence 'suggesting' that you don't beat your wife?