for example all time greats are:
Intersectionality is opposed Marxism
Queer Theory is opposed to Marxism
Postmodernism is opposed to Marxism
Postcolonialism is opposed to Marxism
Feminism is opposed to Marxism
Identity politics exists because of Stalinism
it's all just shit like that, they seem to fundamentaly oppose any theory after Lenin.
I've tried arguing wih them for example about Intersectionslity, but they just say that it can't incorporate class because then they wouldn't need to use it anymore because it is the only thing that matters.
all reform is useless because it doesn't remove capitalism(black liberation, lgbt+ liberation?)
They now try to explain foucault and described him as anti-marxist.(turns out that's true)
"Queer Theorie says it is reactionary to be cis." "intersectionality leads to infighting about who is the most opressed"
They use postmodernism and idealism as some kind of slurs for ideas and all of the above is idealist, only the material ever matters. Idealism is petit-burgoise, post-modern nonsense
Also they are explicitly anti-pluralist in their organisation and don't want to do anything except growing by recruiting students. Like I can't even convince them to go help the foodbank.
Because these people(at hte foodbank) are apparently too pre-occupied with survuval to educate themselves about marxism. So any energy on them is wasted. They can't be useful as activists and we must grow first before we can help people. (which is a shit reason)
They also say shit like that all opression is based on class, and that intersectionality splits the working class and should be avoided. That privileges don't exist because you can't make individuals responsible for opression because it all comes from above.
This video explains what is happening here. It's their exact points.
They only ever go somewehere to hand out flyers, not for support. (one guy actually said we couldn't go to the foodbank beecause we would have to do work there and couldn't just hand out flyers)
I don't know if still have the energy to fight against this bullshit and I've read some more about intersectionality but, they've "indoctrinated" themselves about this shit for years and i am not making any progress. It makes me angry and tired.
Α couple of these are actually true:
This is mostly true, especially about Foucault at an older age.
Idealism is indeed petit-bourgeois, so is postmodernism FOR THE MOST PART.
ALSO there are some reasons why trying to radicalize people at a foodbank may be a pretty bad idea. The rest is dumb and honestly it sounds like it's not terribly great for you to be in said org.
You are right, but i can't really trust what they are saying anymore, thanks for telling me good to know. i am also just about anti-marxist and about to become an anarchist after these clowns.
They mostly use idealism and post-modernism to dunk on intersectionality and gender-theory and i don't think those are bad parts.
The foodbank originally was more about helping people as an org, the idea was a bit like team building and helping people. But they did not care about helping anyone, only growth, so i brought in that aspekt.
This is the wrong way to react though, it's gonna lead you to a perma-loop of disappointment and disillusionment.
These things aren't necessarily idealist. Idealism in general means philosophy that is removed from political practice, and that is anti-materialist, which is why it is reactionary. So the issue isn't that idealism is a good thing, the issue is that they are unfocused in their attacks against various things as idealist that aren't. As for postmodernism, postmodernism is a very general descriptor that can apply to many different things. It doesn't really have a well defined meaning. There are people who usually fall under that label with very useful ideas. But then there's the rest.
A lot of gender theory/postmodern feminist theory etc is indeed idealist and pretty useless. I'm saying that because I've tried to read that sort of stuff and if you try to yourself I think you'll understand why. HOWEVER that doesn't mean it is all like that. But unfortunately academia is mostly dominated by libs, which means you have to look extra hard for the rest of the stuff.
I'm pretty sure you're German (German username and saying "aspekt" instead of "aspect") so something you should know is that the left in most places isn't like the left you see on the internet. This is because the internet is US dominated, and you are getting an image of the left that is skewed towards what it's like in the US. So some of the stuff you brought up which seemed weird to you isn't really weird, it's just that the American left focuses more on these things than the left in other places. So not all of what you said was extremely concerning, but the stuff you brought up about them not wanting to do actual work and just doing their work via distributing flyers (which is terrible practice generally, flyers are supplementary, if they refuse to do work and opt for distributing flyers then it kinda sounds like they prefer to feel like they're doing something just by giving flyers to randos), trying to "educate" people on Marxism instead of trying to produce a mass line or something like that, dismissing all feminism etc as idealist nonsense, these are pretty concerning and maybe you should start looking for something else. Also growth is something that happens when you are doing things right. You shouldn't be trying to "force" growth.
Although you should expect some degree of busywork from any serious org, busywork is unfortunately impossible to avoid because someone's gotta do it.
Yeah, i mean busywork in this context means handing out fliers, making presentations and doing education. I don't really have a problem with any of that and like doing presentations, but that's not why I am a leftist and that's the problem for me. Also they want to do growth first to get and educated core of people before they do anything else, which i told them sounds likea bad idea.
Thanks for explaining the theory and the problems of these to me. I really are having problems seeing which of their takes are wrong and which aren't. Also thanks for pointing out thst there are cultural differences ib leftist orgs, i actuall did not think that that could be a problem for me.
When you say growth, roughly how big are they? Is it like 10 people? Or more like 100?
But yeah, presentations, flyers etc.. Are they trots? They 100% sound like trots lol. You are right though that this kind of stuff is putting the cart before the horse.
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