I'll go first. I had a take that if you see a bunch of advertisements saying to vote no on prop x, and nearly none saying yes on prop x, you should probably vote yes. Because if big money is behind an effort to sway towards no, there's probably corruption in the ranks.

  • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    A large majority of the mainstream right-wing either tolerate or outright support fascism.

      • RedDawn [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        How can they say communism was an economic failure while citing “economic growth” for Pinochet and Franco. I’m positive the USSR had way more growth, like an unprecedented level Of growth historically.

        • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Chile didn't even have decent growth until after Pinochet left

          Soviet Union was an economic miracle and it's something even the bourgeois at the time acknowledged

          With the distance of time it's now important for the bourgeois to place in everyones minds the food queues, food shortages and prostitution of Russia during capitalist restoration and place this blame at the foot of the communists

          Listen to the great newspapers. They have a bitter pill to swallow.

          Le Temps in its number of January 27th, 1932, says: “The Soviet Union has won the first round by industrializing itself without the aid of foreign capital.” The same paper, some months later, in April, observes: “Communism seems to have leaped in one bound over the constructive stage which in a capitalist regime has to be crossed very slowly. To all intents and purposes, the Bolsheviks have beaten us in this respect.”

          The Round Table: “The achievements of the Five-Year Plan constitute a surprising phenomenon.”

          The Financial Times: “There can be no doubt about their success. The Communists’ exultation in the Press and in their speeches is by no means without foundation.”

          The Neue Freie Presse ( Austria): “The Five-Year Plan is a modern giant.”

          The Nation ( United States): “The four years of the Five-Year Plan show a really remarkable series of achievements. The Soviet Union has devoted itself with an intense activity, more appropriate to war-time, to the construction of the foundations of a new life.”

          Forward ( Scotland): “What England did during the war was a mere bagatelle beside it. The Americans recognize that even the feverish period of the most intense construction in the Western states could offer nothing comparable to it…a degree of energy unprecedented in the history of the world. A brilliant challenge to a hostile capitalist world.”

          Barbusse, Henri. Stalin. New York: The Macmillan company, 1935, p. 215-216

        • HebronJames [any]
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          4 years ago

          Communism bad because it helps the poorest. Fascism good because it enriches the already rich.

      • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I think it depends on what the fascism is against.

        Communism? Yes, they would.

        Socialism? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

        Social democracy? I think they would just bite the proverbial bullet and support this.

        • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Socialism? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong.

          When Allende came to power in Chile he came to power as a democrat first and foremost. He was a Marxist but he emphasised again and again he held democracy high and that he was merely representing the factions of the left which had united

          When Castro told Allende (referring to the counter-revolutionary feeling developing amongst the right/the military and traditionalists) to "get these people under control" Allende instead insisted he had found a 3rd way between the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and capitalism

          Allende claims that this is Chile's historic oppor tunity to open a “second way” to socialism without the human costs of revolutionary violence.

          https://www.nytimes.com/1972/12/17/archives/the-opposition-in-chile-said-castro-to-allende-if-you-dont-get.html

          Marx and Engels developed the theory of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and why Marx famously remarked they'll be "no apology for the terror". Because if you walk up to the bourgeois meekly bowing your head and asking politely for reforms they'll do what they did in Chile - run a ruthless dictatorship of the bourgeois in which people are disappeared, executed and incarcerated for having ever walked on the same side of the street as a communist/socialist or trade unionist

          • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Perhaps I should have clarified, I was more talking about rank and file type voters who would consider themselves more "liberal" than "conservative", not liberals who are wealthy and/or powerful.

    • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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      4 years ago

      Liberals dislike fascists because fascists are dirty, thuggish boors who make loud noises.

      Liberals HATES communists because communists wants to take away their tootbrush.