Canada's Parliament just voted to declare it a genocide. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/uighur-genocide-motion-vote-1.5922711 And I've been seeing a lot of conflicting takes on it on twitter and here. From what I can gather from researching the main issue is lack of indication of full on genocide there, but there also seems to be a fair amount of evidence that these camps do exist. I fail to see how that is "good" as people on this site appear to be indicating?
What's going on in Xinjiang isn't a genocide in that, the internment camps aren't death camps and there isn't any evidence for mass sterilisation, but there is institutionalised discrimination and mass internment based on racial and ethnic profiling.
The Chinese goverment line, and what people in this thread will tell you, is that this is necessary to combat "islamist extremism" and terrorism, but that's reactionary garbage. There's nothing inherently terroristic about expressing Uyghur cultural identity or practicing the Islamic faith, and both of those things have been criminalised in the Xinjiang Autonomous Region. There are laws against wearing veils or "unusual" beards.
And again, criminalising expressing Uyghur cultural identity and the practice of the Islamic faith was in no way warranted. As opposed to what some people in this thread are telling you, the whole region is not and never has been on the verge of erupting into an Islamic State stronghold. The number of people carrying out terror attacks and, and the casualties of those terror attacks, are measured in the tens and hundreds, while the number of people imprisoned and whose faith and cultural identity has been criminalised by the "anti-terror" laws is in the tens and hundreds of thousands.
It's true that the Uyghur seperatist movement has gained momentum over the past few decades. If instead of looking for reactionary (it's because of their religion! or their race!) or conspiratorial (It's entirely the CIA's fault!) reasons, we look for a materialist reason we'll find that the Uyghur natives of Xinjiang have some pretty legitimate complaints about institutional discrimination worsening their material conditions that their government has repeatedly failed to address. The following is from a 2002 paper by Chien-peng Chung, a political science professor at Lingnan University whose main research interest at the time was the Xinjiang situation.
Basically, he's saying that the reason the seperatist movement is turning violent again is that Uighur people's material conditions were getting worse, and if those material conditions improved the seperatist movement would both lose supporters and get less violent.
What the CPC ended up doing instead of confronting the material needs was level increasingly severe punishments against increasingly more avenues of religious and ethno-cultural expression and using the :shocked-pikachu: increasingly escalating terrorist violence resulting from this radicalising people to justify increasingly harsher measures.
Like, duh the C.I.A. supports the Uighur seperatist movement, they’re a largely reactionary separatist movement on the Chinese side of a China/NATO-puppet-state border, what’s not to love, but the movement would have almost certainly existed whether or not the CIA was involved. And yeah the NYT and it's ilk are lying scum and NATO "intervening" is about the worst thing that can happen to any situation ever. This is a forum for revolutionary communists, noone's going to disagree with you on those points.
But there has been a Uighur seperatist movement in Xinjiang longer that there has been a CIA, for most of its history its been a lot less violent than it was in the last two decades and the violence in the last two decades is at least as much a result of the CPC’s atrocious mishandling as it was of any CIA meddling, and the CPC's response to the growing dissatisfaction of the Uighur population in Xinjiang has been reminiscent in its its racism, escalation, and brutality of Bush’s inestimably worse war on terror that the CPC repeatedly tried to equate it with.
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I'm not the one who made that "inflammatory comparison". The Chinese Communist Party did. For as long as Bush's War On Terror was a thing the CPC was trying to equate what they were doing in the Xinjiang with it.
As I said in the end of the sentence you only quoted the first part of
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I don't appreciate being accused of using weasel words.
The source is the official government news website for the Xinjiang Autonomous Region Tianshan net.
Tianshan net's archive only goes back to October 2017 and this happened in March, but the SCMP reported on it sourcing the website here.
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China cancelled for imprisoning kropotkin
Does anyone actually wear full-face coverings or long beards in Xinjiang? Is that actually part of anyone's cultural practices?
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Yeah the NED (CIA affiliate) funded terrorist groups in the region. The CIA is absolutely involved in this issue, and the person you are replying to makes a reductive argument there.
Might be a good idea to fund some education of the locals then lol
Seriously tho I’m a bit incredulous of and would lightly push back on basing so much of this off a Hong konger professor that went to school all through out the west and who’s work has been tapped by the nyt and others as a basis for some of the news about what’s going on there.
I agree with you that there’s probably definitely some shit that’s bad or in need of improvement going on as always there will be with these kinds of things, who know how individuals on the ground are acting, but I can’t imagine speaking with such authority about it and saying things like “it’s as bad as bush’s war on terror” which seems like some extreme hyperbole.
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Wasn't this literally the law in France and much of europe pre-covid tho
Can you expand on the practicing Islamic faith being criminalized? I was aware of unauthorized religious gatherings in general being banned but nothing specific to Islam.
While the veil/beard thing is bad, do we know that veils and "unusual" beards are a part of Uyghur culture?