agreed. people forget the insane number of Uyghur fighters who volunteered for isis. the real question for leftists is how we choose to respond.
my take away on this nation-wide struggle session is that literally not a single western nation has the legitimacy to act as a defender of the islamic faith. US based liberals currently see the DOD and their intelligence agencies as fighters of humanitarianism. the Iraq war and all the brutal sanctions that came before it were merely a bump in the road for them.
a part of the reason why this is such an effective tactic is liberals seem to have their trust in the war ministries restored after 5 years of russian concpiracy theories. today they once again think they're a force for good.
all this shit is gonna result in is a cold war.
China is not the enemy is all that I can say. They are a nation that is in the process of figuring it out whereas the western world is in the thick of an ideology that became redundant two centuries ago.
actually it's cynical & not reflective of the facts on the ground to compare Black America's plight with that of Uyghurs in Xinjiang. I would really say it's the exact opposite
Uyghurs have always had autonomy & legally recognized protected status & statehood in PRC, something Black Americans still yearn for in their country
Black Americans in certain poor & deindustrialized areas do not have any such prospects, whereas Uyghurs voluntarily join these vocational training centres & are given uplift and are integrated into the economy & society
But again, all of this is assuming that knee-jerk subconscious reactions & bone-deep Sinophobia aren't the real underpinnings to most of this media barrage in the West
The semantically & factually correct statement would read, "Black America on a normal day faces far worse discrimination & systemic violence than any Uyghur in Xinjiang"
I would rather make concise true statements than to clumsily expand & corrupt the commonly accepted meaning of these words and equate the two situations... PRC & USA's social & economic situations & history are not to be equated
I don't need to disarm your talking point, I am just pointing out how cynically it's constructed. If you are at all trying to say that PRC's development & outreach in Xinjiang is comparable to how police treat Black Americans in the US, then it's not a true or semantically correct statement
There is no challenge. The truth doesn't really need our opinions or our imprecise syntactic constructions
The liberal talking point doesn't have any facts to stand on lol. So all we really need is to point out circa 2014 liberal media coverage of murders & extremist unrest in Xinjiang, and the rest should follow logically
No, it's not up to Marxists to fundamentally change people, all Marxists can do is clarify the conditions that exist & offer alternative analyses & historical context... hopefully point out contradictions & correcting the revolutionary line along the way. People still have to be willing to disengage with liberal & imperialist propaganda, and revolutionary conditions still have to present themselves. Marxists do not create revolution or class consciousness, these are things that take shape regardless of Marxian analysis, they are objective
Marx says that the point is to change the world. I think changing people is far less straightforward than that
You're right that facts do not care about liberals' feelings, but that's sort of the point of this whole exchange
Yes, we can't fundamentally change people on this metaphysical or spiritual plane, we can only offer clarification of the really existing situation & historical context. There is still "free will" here& usually people in the West will cling to "China bad" or "Russia bad" regardless of the truth
agreed. people forget the insane number of Uyghur fighters who volunteered for isis. the real question for leftists is how we choose to respond.
my take away on this nation-wide struggle session is that literally not a single western nation has the legitimacy to act as a defender of the islamic faith. US based liberals currently see the DOD and their intelligence agencies as fighters of humanitarianism. the Iraq war and all the brutal sanctions that came before it were merely a bump in the road for them.
a part of the reason why this is such an effective tactic is liberals seem to have their trust in the war ministries restored after 5 years of russian concpiracy theories. today they once again think they're a force for good.
all this shit is gonna result in is a cold war.
China is not the enemy is all that I can say. They are a nation that is in the process of figuring it out whereas the western world is in the thick of an ideology that became redundant two centuries ago.
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actually it's cynical & not reflective of the facts on the ground to compare Black America's plight with that of Uyghurs in Xinjiang. I would really say it's the exact opposite
Uyghurs have always had autonomy & legally recognized protected status & statehood in PRC, something Black Americans still yearn for in their country
Black Americans in certain poor & deindustrialized areas do not have any such prospects, whereas Uyghurs voluntarily join these vocational training centres & are given uplift and are integrated into the economy & society
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/08/512399/uyghurs-freely-join-re-education-camps
Black people in many areas in the US actually face far worse demonstrable discrimination & violence by the state than any Uyghur
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US does need to focus on its own problems, I agree
which means we should probably stop trying to make a boogieman out of PRC offering development to historically underdeveloped areas
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I don't think it's true either way, because US intelligence also claimed just the other day that no genocide is occurring in PRC
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
But again, all of this is assuming that knee-jerk subconscious reactions & bone-deep Sinophobia aren't the real underpinnings to most of this media barrage in the West
The semantically & factually correct statement would read, "Black America on a normal day faces far worse discrimination & systemic violence than any Uyghur in Xinjiang"
So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
George Wilson is the Joker
Real Langoliers energy down here I gotta say.
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I would rather make concise true statements than to clumsily expand & corrupt the commonly accepted meaning of these words and equate the two situations... PRC & USA's social & economic situations & history are not to be equated
I don't need to disarm your talking point, I am just pointing out how cynically it's constructed. If you are at all trying to say that PRC's development & outreach in Xinjiang is comparable to how police treat Black Americans in the US, then it's not a true or semantically correct statement
There is no challenge. The truth doesn't really need our opinions or our imprecise syntactic constructions
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The liberal talking point doesn't have any facts to stand on lol. So all we really need is to point out circa 2014 liberal media coverage of murders & extremist unrest in Xinjiang, and the rest should follow logically
No, it's not up to Marxists to fundamentally change people, all Marxists can do is clarify the conditions that exist & offer alternative analyses & historical context... hopefully point out contradictions & correcting the revolutionary line along the way. People still have to be willing to disengage with liberal & imperialist propaganda, and revolutionary conditions still have to present themselves. Marxists do not create revolution or class consciousness, these are things that take shape regardless of Marxian analysis, they are objective
Marx says that the point is to change the world. I think changing people is far less straightforward than that
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You're right that facts do not care about liberals' feelings, but that's sort of the point of this whole exchange
Yes, we can't fundamentally change people on this metaphysical or spiritual plane, we can only offer clarification of the really existing situation & historical context. There is still "free will" here& usually people in the West will cling to "China bad" or "Russia bad" regardless of the truth
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