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  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    The liberal talking point doesn't have any facts to stand on lol. So all we really need is to point out circa 2014 liberal media coverage of murders & extremist unrest in Xinjiang, and the rest should follow logically

    No, it's not up to Marxists to fundamentally change people, all Marxists can do is clarify the conditions that exist & offer alternative analyses & historical context... hopefully point out contradictions & correcting the revolutionary line along the way. People still have to be willing to disengage with liberal & imperialist propaganda, and revolutionary conditions still have to present themselves. Marxists do not create revolution or class consciousness, these are things that take shape regardless of Marxian analysis, they are objective

    Marx says that the point is to change the world. I think changing people is far less straightforward than that

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        You're right that facts do not care about liberals' feelings, but that's sort of the point of this whole exchange

        Yes, we can't fundamentally change people on this metaphysical or spiritual plane, we can only offer clarification of the really existing situation & historical context. There is still "free will" here& usually people in the West will cling to "China bad" or "Russia bad" regardless of the truth