Usually in relation to Uighur camps, the argument is "since you're in America you can't change whether they're concentration camps or education facilities, so you should just concentrate on the concentration camps within your own borders instead."

Like, motherfucker, I can have an opinion on the actions in another country and still work on changing things I can change.

I guess my question is, is this concentrate on what you can change part of some theory or strategy I haven't read or is it just bad and lazy?

In particular for China it's essentially conceding to the people who thinks there are millions of Uighurs being murdered, rather than attempt to engage and show that there is no evidence of that, and just what abouting.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Yes, I agree with that, but part of what I've been seeing is an extension of that to suggest that we look at what is happening in America and shouldn't bother to even discuss the narratives of what is happening elsewhere because we can't have any effect over there anyway.

      • StolenStalin [comrade/them,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I mean , yeah it just makes more sense to clean up your own backyard before screaming at your neighbor for having some dog shit(from your dog) on their porch.

        • OgdenTO [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          But why not both?

          Ignoring what's happening elsewhere because things in America aren't perfect has a bit of Jordan Peterson "clean your room" energy

          • StolenStalin [comrade/them,they/them]
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            3 years ago

            "because things in america arent perfect" No, the things in America are the actual problem (and happening at way worse levels for way longer) while the shit happening in China is just a byproduct of it.

            or let me reword it. Ignoring WHY things are happening elsewhere and just being mad about them has real reactionary vibes.

            Its like screaming at your neighbor for tracking dogshit around their house, when YOU were the one that picked it up and put it under their shoe.

            • OgdenTO [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              So then I guess the question is should we ignore other countries' responses to american-driven activities and focus only on American actions that americans (maybe) can have an effect on changing, or is it important to stay aware of and having opinions on understanding what's happening internationally?

              • StupendousGirl17 [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                should we ignore other countries’ responses to american-driven activities and focus only on American actions

                I don't think that comrade was saying ignore it. What they seemed to be saying, and what I personally believe, is to keep the focus not on the symptom (this being china's policy towards Uiyghurs) and keep the focus on the disease (US foreign policy, specifically using Uiyghurs as tools of destabilization). It is absolutely possible to say that the Uiyghurs are under the thumb of the CCP, regardless of whether that is just deradicalization, or concentration camps, and push that the best way for this to be resolved is to quit the US from intervening in chinese politics via state sponsored terrorism

                  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Yes, I see. I agree that America should be critiqued for their interventions, I disagree that we should critique China for actions that there is no evidence of.

            • OgdenTO [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Well, not really. This is bling an individual for allowing it's society to cause another society's problems

    • abdul [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      This is such a circle jerky train of thought. There is no point in reminding people who don’t like what China is doing about what america is doing because they probably believe america is bad too. All you accomplish by doing this is making yourself feel better about supporting China.