so basically Wizards is the only thing that makes money for Hasbro anymore since nobody is playing Monopoly or doing puzzles. So Hasbro is basically making WOTC a full on division of the company sort of like what Activision did with Blizzard (and if you are a g*mer you probably know how that ended).

here comes more digital releases, tighter release schedules, and the end of customer-friendly copyright permissions. we're about to get all the shitty parts of TSR without even a Spelljammer book. This probably has something to do with why the owners of D&D Beyond all jumped ship a few weeks ago.

    • kronkfresh [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I'm with you mostly, but sometimes I like to get paid for my homebrew. Mostly concerned about how this is going to change the Open Gaming License because I'm almost positive Hasbro is going to yoink it. Without the OGL independent content creators get shafted - so say goodbye to all the patreons you borrow from for maps and such.

      • Grownbravy [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I would hope someone could convince the suits that's a TERRIBLE idea, but that'll probably never happen, or at best, work for 4 years before they try it again when who ever told them it was a bad idea leaves the company or something.

        • kronkfresh [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          oh its a done deal if we're hearing about it, this was part of their investor call. that means if they didn't do it they could go to jail.

          I do hope this kills Wizards of the Coast though. Honestly I've been playing D&D my entire life, I bought my first set of dice directly from the guy who invented them lol. If they get greedy and kill D&D's golden age with 5th Edition I'll laugh my ass off and go play Pathfinder or something

          • Grownbravy [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            The OGL is super important for the life of each DnD edition, they'll ALWAYS outpace official releases, but you cant play any of them without an official rulebook to reference at some point.

            it's just pointless screaming on my part. sometimes I forget that hasbro has the rights to the whole franchise. I hope they at least keep the D20 system open, but despite knowing that it's probably too late to put the genie back in the bottle, there's good chance a pro-business judge could say that Hasbro can control their copyright even though DnD has been common knowledge and EVERYWHERE since the 80's

            • kronkfresh [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              I don't think they can do anything about the d20 system, if memory serves they tried to squash it when they released 4e but they couldn't. The next best thing is to just be Hasbro and start flooding the market with D&D merch and trashy movies until the fad is over. As far as the current SRD goes, they'll probably leave that open but not let people publish material inspired by official releases and yoink people's permission to publish for the Forgotten Realms. Although, they might have to wait until Ed Greenwood dies for that. He's got a pretty cush deal lol. Worst case scenario is they make a 6th edition and I'll be pissed because I spent a lot of money on my books and they promised 5e still had a lot of life in it.

              Either that or they'll get real lazy and just start publishing popular DM's Guild stuff and exploit the shit out of actual creators. Nothing good will come of this.

              • Grownbravy [they/them]
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                4 years ago

                A thought occurs.

                The biggest reason for the rise in DnD content, aside from the pandemic, is the wave of live play content like Critical Role, Dimension20, Arcadum, etc, etc. it’s pulling all the weight for Hasbro here, since you cant really sell the point of DnD by describing what the games like, but SHOWING. And they’ve tried, Wizards does their own streams, but who gives a fuck about those?

                A sensible person would see that they should encourage people to buy their rule sets and materials, and modules if they want, that there is an infinitely replayable game. But who ever heard of a sensible business person?

                Also, i think they already do sell DM guild modules and junk.

                • kronkfresh [none/use name]
                  hexagon
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                  4 years ago

                  Absolutely. I mean theres a reason why Critical Role is an all but official D&D product. I mean Mercer writes for them and they playtest rules on the show and stuff. I can absolutely see Hasbro getting greedy though and shutting it all down, or at least expecting to get paid royalties or some such. It's what they do.

                  The DM's guild has a print on demand for popular titles which Wizards makes a lot of money on, and shafts creators (authors get something like 40% of sales just for the privilege of being hosted on their platform lol), but nothing outright just published for pennies and "exposure" like TSR did back in the old days with Dragon. But even then, good Dragon contributors could get jobs that way. It's not like that anymore.

    • grilldaddy [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      agreeeeee

      while you're at it 3d print your obscenely expensive warhammer 40k figurines too

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Half a century ago, when Marx was writing Capital, free competition appeared to the overwhelming majority of economists to be a “natural law”. Official science tried, by a conspiracy of silence, to kill the works of Marx, who by a theoretical and historical analysis of capitalism had proved that free competition gives rise to the concentration of production, which, in turn, at a certain stage of development, leads to monopoly. Today, monopoly has become a fact. Economists are writing mountains of books in which they describe the diverse manifestations of monopoly, and continue to declare in chorus that “Marxism is refuted”. But facts are stubborn things, as the English proverb says, and they have to be reckoned with, whether we like it or not. The facts show that differences between capitalist countries, e.g., in the matter of protection or free trade, only give rise to insignificant variations in the form of monopolies or in the moment of their appearance; and that the rise of monopolies, as the result of the concentration of production, is a general and fundamental law of the present stage of development of capitalism.

    • kronkfresh [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      its a lot easier to find people to play with who aren't reactionary freaks if you just stick with D&D right now

      • shitstorm [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Have you tried fucking with any Powered by the Apocalypse systems? Blades in the Dark is the most popular of the PtbA systems and it has a pretty active subreddit.

        • kronkfresh [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          edit-2
          4 years ago

          I haven't, I know of it though. It seems like a good system, kind of part of the back to basics OSRPG stuff that's gaining some popularity. Admittedly I'm kind of a D&D person though, always have been. Haven't played many new systems other than 5e since probably like 2007

          • shitstorm [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Fair enough, just thought I'd suggest it. I'm just not into D&D when compared to more flexible systems, I found PbtA and Star Wars FFG to be liberating as a player.

            • kronkfresh [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              ah see thats part of why im stuck on d&d, i'm a forever DM and it's just way easier for me to have one system basically memorized so I can slap together a game with minimal effort if I want or need to. plus as I get older I find myself with less time to invest in learning new things... Im only 34 but I can already feel the boomer brain setting in.

      • Infamousblt [any]
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        4 years ago

        That's fair, although all the people I know that play D&D are reactionary freaks, and none of the people I play non D&D with are....so your mileage may vary

        • kronkfresh [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          guess its all about where you're at, i haven't tried online games. 5e is pretty long in the tooth though, it needs an update a lot more than it needs another Ravenloft book

      • kronkfresh [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        4 years ago

        combat gets very boring in 5e I think, but the zoomers only want to RP anyway so its fine. Also as a DM it would be really nice to have better overland travel/adventure mechanics instead of just time skipping to set pieces. but i guess they gotta sell that wizkids merch

    • kronkfresh [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      https://www.sageadvice.eu/2021/02/05/dd-beyond-co-founder-adam-bradford-leaves-with-todd-kenreck-lauren-urban-and-james-haeck/

      one of the founders and the big talking heads are moving on to a new project. it was very out of the blue and made me glad I never gave them my money.

    • mwsduelle [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Not since nearly a year ago thanks to COVID!

      :agony-turbo:

  • The_word_of_dog [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Yeah well at least with RPGs the ground floor for creating a new system is a lot easier to get on than a video game studio.

    Not saying labor-wise, but a word document is way cheaper than a game studio.

    If DnD starts to suck people will jump ship, a lot did in 4e and they'll do it again.

      • mars [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        That's part of it, also the OGL for 3rd edition that Pathfinder was born under was a lot more "open" than what came after with 4th and 5th edition, at least that's what I remember. It's been a while though