Now, we know that some countries, like Russia, will go to any length to win medals, even recently they were caught in another doping scandal. If trans women had as dramatic an advantage as the Roganites claim, why hasn’t any country brought forward a trans woman who can blow out the competition?
The simplest answer, I think, is that trans women don’t have the insane advantage that reactionaries claim. Surely we would have seen it by now if it was a viable tactic.
For some sports, you could definitely CONCEIVABLY do that. Many random dudes who aren't even professionals could break female records in, say, weightlifting, at least national records. Apparently the world deadlift record for women is around 310kg, or a bit less than 700 pounds. It is not hard to find a million dudes lifting more on YouTube.
The real reason is different. It's because no one wants to lie about it. No one wants to pretend to be trans just to win a sport. Doping is different. I'm not sure why people overlook the fact that people won't lie about their gender identity just to win a sport.
Yeah but like, if I get this right then op is talking about it regardless of HRT.
Also, HRT may cause muscle mass to plummet but it won't change the bones, so there will still be a very decent advantage in a few sports. Conceivably someone COULD do it, especially if they fudge around with what "counts" as undergoing HRT and what they are allowed to take. But people won't do it because who tf is gonna go through HRT and lie about being a trans woman for years just to win a sport. It's really dumb.
And my Olympic example had nothing to do with lying. I meant Russia or whoever hunting down a genuine trans woman athlete to have them compete.
I'm guessing they don't have to hunt them down, they're already normally competing. Except there's like 5 trans people in Russia who have actually transitioned and none of them is an elite athlete. That's another reason this isn't as significant as people make it out to be, it's not like there's billions of post transition trans people.
OP's position was on including Trans regardless of HRT - are you not engaging in the same exclusion by only focusing on whether or not post HRT are the same strength as cis?
Please consider that your argument must include pre-HRT trans women and men to be a complete thought. There is NO reason that we should separate people who are by definition women from women's sports, regardless of HRT status. Once someone tells you they are trans, that is it. Questioning or even engaging in a discussion around whether they are equal is tacitly claiming they are not women by virtue of them telling you they are. That is bigotry, straight up.
Identity is identity. HRT is a false flag and that seems to have gone over your head when you began to engage in the same exclusionary talk.
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For some sports, you could definitely CONCEIVABLY do that. Many random dudes who aren't even professionals could break female records in, say, weightlifting, at least national records. Apparently the world deadlift record for women is around 310kg, or a bit less than 700 pounds. It is not hard to find a million dudes lifting more on YouTube.
The real reason is different. It's because no one wants to lie about it. No one wants to pretend to be trans just to win a sport. Doping is different. I'm not sure why people overlook the fact that people won't lie about their gender identity just to win a sport.
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Yeah but like, if I get this right then op is talking about it regardless of HRT.
Also, HRT may cause muscle mass to plummet but it won't change the bones, so there will still be a very decent advantage in a few sports. Conceivably someone COULD do it, especially if they fudge around with what "counts" as undergoing HRT and what they are allowed to take. But people won't do it because who tf is gonna go through HRT and lie about being a trans woman for years just to win a sport. It's really dumb.
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I'm guessing they don't have to hunt them down, they're already normally competing. Except there's like 5 trans people in Russia who have actually transitioned and none of them is an elite athlete. That's another reason this isn't as significant as people make it out to be, it's not like there's billions of post transition trans people.
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OP's position was on including Trans regardless of HRT - are you not engaging in the same exclusion by only focusing on whether or not post HRT are the same strength as cis?
Please consider that your argument must include pre-HRT trans women and men to be a complete thought. There is NO reason that we should separate people who are by definition women from women's sports, regardless of HRT status. Once someone tells you they are trans, that is it. Questioning or even engaging in a discussion around whether they are equal is tacitly claiming they are not women by virtue of them telling you they are. That is bigotry, straight up.
Identity is identity. HRT is a false flag and that seems to have gone over your head when you began to engage in the same exclusionary talk.
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