Like I wouldn't want to live in the DPRK because I'll probably be disappeared for being bisexual, but there's no way I'll ever support an invasion of the DPRK or spread propaganda about the country. In fact I'll will even go as far to say that it was cool and good that they got nuclear weapons, as it's the only thing that has prevented the US from spreading "democracy and freedom" there. Very, very Critical support for the DPRK against western imperialism.
It's not against the law, but being openly gay goes against the social conservatism present in the nation. The only people "allowed" to be LGBT are foreigners and tourists. https://www.youngpioneertours.com/lgbt-north-korea/
Contrary to popular belief, homosexuality is not against the law in North Korea, and people from the LGBT community are more than welcome to travel here – in fact, openly gay tour guides have frequently led tours here without issue.
Whilst homosexuality is not illegal in the country, there is no ‘gay scene’ to speak of, and you certainly will not meet openly gay Koreans in the DPRK. It is also important to be respectful on their extreme conservativeness on this matter
So ... people there are generally socially conservative and might be either curious about or displeased by homosexuality. How in the world does that translate to "I'd be disappeared for being bisexual?"
As there is very little to no information about LGBT issues available to the citizens of the DPRK, if you were to be openly LGBT it could be seen as a sign of being in contact with the west and a foreign agent, as very few people in the DPRK have a conception of what it is. Also being gay is seen as part of Western decadent culture in certain films in the DPRK. That is pretty much the only exposure to LGBT issues your average citizen will get. I know this website and author of the article sucks, but this is the best I was able to find: https://www.nknews.org/2013/11/being-gay-in-the-dprk/
While being "disappeared" will probably only happen if a person is openly queer in what is seen as a "western" way, even if you are an LGBT person that does not do that, you'll be seen as a child if you don't marry someone of the opposite sex and will probably be forced to marry someone you don't love in order to become an "adult"
Oviously, because of all the western propaganda and attempts to overthrow the DPRK have caused such secrecy no be necessary in order to allow the DPRK to exist, no one actually knows what is going on there. It's speculation from me. I also want to say that I'm not the person downvoting your comments, this is actually an interesting discussion and I'm learning new things about the DPRK. For example I thought it was against the law to be gay in the DPRK but after researching I found that not to be the case.
I get you. It just strikes me as unnecessary, in a thread specifically about how distorted people's opinions are of the DPRK due to western propaganda, to spread speculation about how in the DPRK the government will take you away in the night for not being straight with absolutely no reason for saying something like that. It just sounds like your standard liberal "well I know the DPRK is bad evil tyrranical monarchy dictatorship commie hell, therefore this bad thing I just thought up in my head must happen there"
I'm not trying to do that, living in the DRPK is not some dictorial hell that it's made out to be in western propoganda. At the same time I'm trying not to lie and be like DRPK 100% good, it's a perfect country with no problems because that's just not true. It's also very hard to actually find information about what's happening there that isn't western propaganda. It's just living in one of the very few countries where I have constitutional protection of my rights, I would be very uncomfortable living in the DPRK where no such protections exist.
At the same time I’m trying not to lie and be like DRPK 100% good, it’s a perfect country with no problems because that’s just not true.
Of course, no one said that. That still doesn't mean every problem you can imagine that they could possibly have is a problem they have. Disappearing the gays is simply not a problem that there is any evidence for.
Imagine if this logic were applied to any other widely homophobic country, like its neighbors South Korea and Japan. "Well, people there are socially conservative, so I bet if I lived there I'd be literally murdered." Doesn't that sound absurd to you?
No, I wouldn't want to live in Japan or South Korea at all because there is a much higher chance of being literally murdered than other countries around the world due to their rampant homophobia. So I do apply this logic to other homophobic counties. Even my own country with constitutional protection of LGBT rights has incidents of people being killed simply because they are queer, why would I want to live somewhere else?
Like I wouldn't want to live in the DPRK because I'll probably be disappeared for being bisexual, but there's no way I'll ever support an invasion of the DPRK or spread propaganda about the country. In fact I'll will even go as far to say that it was cool and good that they got nuclear weapons, as it's the only thing that has prevented the US from spreading "democracy and freedom" there. Very, very Critical support for the DPRK against western imperialism.
ive never seen any evidence of anything like this
It's not against the law, but being openly gay goes against the social conservatism present in the nation. The only people "allowed" to be LGBT are foreigners and tourists. https://www.youngpioneertours.com/lgbt-north-korea/
So ... people there are generally socially conservative and might be either curious about or displeased by homosexuality. How in the world does that translate to "I'd be disappeared for being bisexual?"
As there is very little to no information about LGBT issues available to the citizens of the DPRK, if you were to be openly LGBT it could be seen as a sign of being in contact with the west and a foreign agent, as very few people in the DPRK have a conception of what it is. Also being gay is seen as part of Western decadent culture in certain films in the DPRK. That is pretty much the only exposure to LGBT issues your average citizen will get. I know this website and author of the article sucks, but this is the best I was able to find: https://www.nknews.org/2013/11/being-gay-in-the-dprk/
While being "disappeared" will probably only happen if a person is openly queer in what is seen as a "western" way, even if you are an LGBT person that does not do that, you'll be seen as a child if you don't marry someone of the opposite sex and will probably be forced to marry someone you don't love in order to become an "adult"
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Oviously, because of all the western propaganda and attempts to overthrow the DPRK have caused such secrecy no be necessary in order to allow the DPRK to exist, no one actually knows what is going on there. It's speculation from me. I also want to say that I'm not the person downvoting your comments, this is actually an interesting discussion and I'm learning new things about the DPRK. For example I thought it was against the law to be gay in the DPRK but after researching I found that not to be the case.
I get you. It just strikes me as unnecessary, in a thread specifically about how distorted people's opinions are of the DPRK due to western propaganda, to spread speculation about how in the DPRK the government will take you away in the night for not being straight with absolutely no reason for saying something like that. It just sounds like your standard liberal "well I know the DPRK is bad evil tyrranical monarchy dictatorship commie hell, therefore this bad thing I just thought up in my head must happen there"
I'm not trying to do that, living in the DRPK is not some dictorial hell that it's made out to be in western propoganda. At the same time I'm trying not to lie and be like DRPK 100% good, it's a perfect country with no problems because that's just not true. It's also very hard to actually find information about what's happening there that isn't western propaganda. It's just living in one of the very few countries where I have constitutional protection of my rights, I would be very uncomfortable living in the DPRK where no such protections exist.
Of course, no one said that. That still doesn't mean every problem you can imagine that they could possibly have is a problem they have. Disappearing the gays is simply not a problem that there is any evidence for.
Imagine if this logic were applied to any other widely homophobic country, like its neighbors South Korea and Japan. "Well, people there are socially conservative, so I bet if I lived there I'd be literally murdered." Doesn't that sound absurd to you?
No, I wouldn't want to live in Japan or South Korea at all because there is a much higher chance of being literally murdered than other countries around the world due to their rampant homophobia. So I do apply this logic to other homophobic counties. Even my own country with constitutional protection of LGBT rights has incidents of people being killed simply because they are queer, why would I want to live somewhere else?