He said that because it was obvious that the USA would impose an embargo on the island and force most of the world to follow it, it was Castro's fault. He said that if Castro had his people's best interest in heart, he would have caved against american pressure.

  • Laika [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Boy do americans love victim blaming. It's one of those bipartisan political and social values that we have.

    • cro [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      We're mexican, but it's almost the same thing over here.

  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Literally abuser's logic. "If you want me to stop beating you and the kids, just behave the way I want. It's for your own good".

    • cro [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, that was kind of what I answered. If a kid that comes from an abusive family runs away and lives in worse economical conditions it's still better than to live under abusive conditions.

  • callovthevoid [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    "Allowing America to be world police and isolate a sovereign country economically from food, medicine, and technology because we don't agree with their economic system is fine actually." - pro-intervention liberals

    • cro [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      "Oh, but the embargos are there to put pressure on their leaders so they do the right thing, it's not like we're invading" - same liberals

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Liberals are quick to make victim-blaming, might-makes-right sorts of arguments when it comes to condemning communist countries and left-wing projects in general.

    Like when you point out that failed socialist projects in Latin America failed in large part due to intervention from the US, and suddenly their argument becomes "If capitalism isn't superior to communism/socialism, then why was a world superpower and richest nation on earth able to overcome these nations that had been impoverished colonies within the last few decades?", literally the lib version of "If the whites aren't the best race why'd they do the colonizing and the others got colonized?".

    That, coupled with their desire to hold and constantly proclaim a moral high-ground, makes them very annoying people.

    • lvysaur [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It's really funny because even a 5 year old could understand the real reason.

      It's because resources = power

      US = resources

      The Americas in general = resources

      The Atlantic is literally baby-mode, the Pacific is godmode

  • JuanGuaido [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is very true however and as an example, we can look at Nicolás Maduro Moros and how he should have very much listened to los Estados Unidos. Many problems can be avoided if you listen to larger countries which spend so much on their militaries. If this had occurred, I would have been able to take my rightful place as interim presidente de Venezuela.

  • newmou [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    "Well if she didn't want to get assaulted she wouldn't have acted and dressed that way"

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Your friend vastly underestimates how bad life was under Batista, and how much the revolution has done to help people out of abject poverty. If he means "caved" as go back to pre-revolutionary times... something like <2% of the population owned the majority of arable land. US interests controlled most of the sugar mills. And the stats on poverty, hunger, literacy, mortality etc under Batista are appalling. So how would going back to that be better?

  • Ofosho [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    If America had our best interests at heart, it would've caved to Taliban aggression.

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I don't even think it was obvious at the time. Lots of countries tried to have a non-aligned anti-colonial movement early in the Cold War, and I don't think they expected, initially, that America would reflexively try to destroy them.

    • kilternkafuffle [any]
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      4 years ago

      Ho Chi Minh quoted the American Declaration of Independence in the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence when he was rebelling against the Japanese occupation ... after making contacts with the OSS (aka baby CIA), which thought early on that he might be their guy in Indochina. People thought that America could be appeased.

    • cro [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      How do you use those stickers?

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        You type after a colon the name of the sticker and some suggestions should pop up like this (replaced colons with dashes) -che-smile-. Someone made a website with a list of all the available stickers:https://cadence.moe/misc/chapo-chat-emojis

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    4 years ago

    They should have just used a strategy of appeasement, that's never gone wrong before.

    • Randomdog [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah remind me how many covid cases they have?

      What's that? Under 100 deaths? REALLY?

    • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      But wouldn't they be better under the crippling austerity that America would impose on them if they just gave in?