Power: Did you guys know how controversial he was?

Marshall: I guess so. I think we could have a very long conversation about it now. But I think it's precisely why Peterson and [Sam] Harris and all these other guys are having these two or three-hour-long conversations on podcasts and that those things are so popular, is because these are incredibly long and nuanced conversations to have. I mean, as fascinating as it is, I'm not sure we're going to have the time to get in all of one of those in the time we've got now. But I think that the Mumford and Sons are very interested in the public discourse generally and all the things that are going on.

Cartoonish Sirens go off in my head when they choose to bring up Sam Harris in defence of being controversial 'for the discourse'.