That's all I was there to experience though, and I'm sure I'm not alone. And it seems to me that trying to go that far back in time to an era of a place that doesn't exist anymore is a fools errand
Refusing to accept user feedback as a bit is not okay
It goes against the Hexbear.net mission statement.
Also, could you guys at least leave an explanation when locking posts and deleting comments, referring to the specific rules being broken. It would be great if we could meet or excede the average level of Reddit moderators.
But why would admins care what users think of their actions?
I don't think sexism in the user base was worse than it is now but it being part of reddit meant a lot of shit was spilling over from many other places. But being on reddit also meant there could be interaction with the libs in other subs whereas and that's been lost.
Multiple people have said it was worse but it's never clear if it is actually the core user base or the people coming into the sub from other places. I see a lot of the same shit that was bad from the same sub repeated here pretty often. The old sub was much larger and much more open to the rest of the Internet so it's not entirely comparable.
I never called you an outside agitator and I'm not sure what this post has to do with my reply to you. If it wasn't clear I am not saying the people complaining were spilling over from other places, but the people doing the weird sexist shit. I've talked with some people who were saying that, including someone who was apparently sent some really weird super racist shit. The thing is, in most of those cases it was primarily people spilling over from other subs, lurkers, short lived accounts, etc and not so much regular users creating the issue. Which comes with being a much larger sub with interaction with the rest of the Internet and fast growth. So agreed that this place is better as a safe space, but I don't think it is because the old sub had a significantly worse culture, but rather because it was much bigger and open.
About rebro I definitely agree, I really didn't like that era of the sub. It's just that most and my best memories of the sub were before that, because the rebro era was very weird and definitely not the best, combined with the quarantine. And again, I want to clarify that I don't think that there wasn't sexist stuff, but that it wasn't much worse than this site is. I did notice a lot of sexist jokes etc but I've noticed stuff like that here too, and frequently it is a bit too subtle to moderate. One thing that may complicate things is that I never sorted by new. Perhaps if I did I'd see more of it. That there were lots of super weird people around I know, I literally can't forget it because one of these people for some reason is still occasionally sending me angry shit years later for something I don't even remember any more. But I guess that comes with reddit.
Lol I never remotely said it was a secret conspiracy, they just don't recognize that it had zero visibility, and are interpreting that to mean nobody "cared before" and you're making some of the same weird conclusions about people.
The whole idea that nobody cared before is in the garbage unless you believe one of the stupid bullet points above.
You know how like, people view web pages? Each time they look at a page on this site, they see a certain number of posts. The particular post you're talking about didn't show up on the computer screens for more than 0.02% of the user population
But yes, God Ordained that the level of inherent interest in the post would twist fate, hiding the post from 99 percent of users. Then God Ordained that everyone would be mysteriously very interested at a later date, because the mods had incurred His wrath.
I tried posting in User Union. Unfortunately, the admins had decided they weren't taking user imput and deleted it. If you'd been paying attention, you would have known. They were actively spamming it in /c/main.
I manually went through every post on userunion and this is the oldest thread I could find, I didn't see any threads on the name.
I remember the constant struggle sessions, but not that it was resolved at one point. I remember the !main@hexbear.net and !traphouse thing was decided by a vote, I could not find something similar for ChapoChat / Hexbear
but the fact that you remember the “struggle sessions” should be evidence enough that this has been discussed for months.
Yes I know that this has been discussed for months. But my point is that for !main and !traphouse there was a vote but I can't remember or find a vote for the site name.
I also went through every post in userunion and can't find any post dedicated to discussing the measure.
I saw one person, TransComrade69, if I remember correctly, saying she was pushing for a name change, but it was not on a dedicated thread.
One mod mentioning it in the comments of a random post is not seeking out user engagement. Regardless, shutting down discussion of measures once they're formally announced is still bad.
The subreddit undeniably had better quality than this.
Hard disagree there. This community definitely has more interesting discussions, which might be only because it's smaller, but it's definitely not worse.
Nah. Stick to everything that got us here.
The subreddit undeniably had better quality than this. Site functioned better. Mods were more helpful.
oh yeah the mods who banned you because they found you annoying was awesome lol
Yeah man that only happened on reddit
I don't disagree
That was only true for the last year or so of the sub though, when it had already been quarantined etc.
That's all I was there to experience though, and I'm sure I'm not alone. And it seems to me that trying to go that far back in time to an era of a place that doesn't exist anymore is a fools errand
Return to our roots
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I'm being oppositional because
A) it's fun
B) amab
C) i prefer the current name
I'm happy to engage in more serious discussion, but due to mishandling of the issue by admins, there is no other discussion on this site.
It's our fault for taking you seriously, got it thanks for being straightforward :)
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I did.
But why would admins care what users think of their actions?
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Did you miss when the thread about the name change got locked when a lot of user feedback was coming in?
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I don't think sexism in the user base was worse than it is now but it being part of reddit meant a lot of shit was spilling over from many other places. But being on reddit also meant there could be interaction with the libs in other subs whereas and that's been lost.
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Multiple people have said it was worse but it's never clear if it is actually the core user base or the people coming into the sub from other places. I see a lot of the same shit that was bad from the same sub repeated here pretty often. The old sub was much larger and much more open to the rest of the Internet so it's not entirely comparable.
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I never called you an outside agitator and I'm not sure what this post has to do with my reply to you. If it wasn't clear I am not saying the people complaining were spilling over from other places, but the people doing the weird sexist shit. I've talked with some people who were saying that, including someone who was apparently sent some really weird super racist shit. The thing is, in most of those cases it was primarily people spilling over from other subs, lurkers, short lived accounts, etc and not so much regular users creating the issue. Which comes with being a much larger sub with interaction with the rest of the Internet and fast growth. So agreed that this place is better as a safe space, but I don't think it is because the old sub had a significantly worse culture, but rather because it was much bigger and open.
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What a good fucking comment, thank you
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About rebro I definitely agree, I really didn't like that era of the sub. It's just that most and my best memories of the sub were before that, because the rebro era was very weird and definitely not the best, combined with the quarantine. And again, I want to clarify that I don't think that there wasn't sexist stuff, but that it wasn't much worse than this site is. I did notice a lot of sexist jokes etc but I've noticed stuff like that here too, and frequently it is a bit too subtle to moderate. One thing that may complicate things is that I never sorted by new. Perhaps if I did I'd see more of it. That there were lots of super weird people around I know, I literally can't forget it because one of these people for some reason is still occasionally sending me angry shit years later for something I don't even remember any more. But I guess that comes with reddit.
It's impossible to go back to that anyways.
:fry:
:chefs-kiss:
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Do you have any idea of the vanishingly small number of people who even physically scrolled past whatever discussion you're talking about?
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You said yourself it got like 9 upvotes, which means probably 20 people saw it. This site upvotes at a higher rate than many sites.
Let's throw out some ways of understanding the current phenomenon. People didn't post before, and now they are posting a lot. What gives?
Possibilities:
Which one of those do you think it was?
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Lol I never remotely said it was a secret conspiracy, they just don't recognize that it had zero visibility, and are interpreting that to mean nobody "cared before" and you're making some of the same weird conclusions about people.
The whole idea that nobody cared before is in the garbage unless you believe one of the stupid bullet points above.
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You know how like, people view web pages? Each time they look at a page on this site, they see a certain number of posts. The particular post you're talking about didn't show up on the computer screens for more than 0.02% of the user population
But yes, God Ordained that the level of inherent interest in the post would twist fate, hiding the post from 99 percent of users. Then God Ordained that everyone would be mysteriously very interested at a later date, because the mods had incurred His wrath.
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All you have to do is say
"Yeah, I think it's somewhat likely that a significant portion of the user base saw that post"
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WHAT! THATS ILLEGAL! SAY THE THING
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Democracy, for those already in control.
I tried posting in User Union. Unfortunately, the admins had decided they weren't taking user imput and deleted it. If you'd been paying attention, you would have known. They were actively spamming it in /c/main.
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Some admins said they were pushing for it within the admin circles, but there was never a publicised request for input.
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wait, can you post one?
I manually went through every post on userunion and this is the oldest thread I could find, I didn't see any threads on the name.
I remember the constant struggle sessions, but not that it was resolved at one point. I remember the !main@hexbear.net and !traphouse thing was decided by a vote, I could not find something similar for ChapoChat / Hexbear
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Asking is when you write a question on a piece of paper and throw it out a window into the breeze
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Yes I know that this has been discussed for months. But my point is that for !main and !traphouse there was a vote but I can't remember or find a vote for the site name.
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I also went through every post in userunion and can't find any post dedicated to discussing the measure.
I saw one person, TransComrade69, if I remember correctly, saying she was pushing for a name change, but it was not on a dedicated thread.
One mod mentioning it in the comments of a random post is not seeking out user engagement. Regardless, shutting down discussion of measures once they're formally announced is still bad.
Hard disagree there. This community definitely has more interesting discussions, which might be only because it's smaller, but it's definitely not worse.
Some discussions are better, but with less visibility they're also less likely to actually convince anyone.
And some are just as bad as ever.
This is fucking hilarious.