I didn't take TC69's post to be quite so literally about using this site to get folks into the PSL, for example, and how the name hampers that. I took it much more as a criticism of the podcast, which is good and I very much agree with. The PSL example was a way to highlight how leftist folks who aren't terminally online like we are view the podcast. Which is that at best, it seems ambivalent about anything that isn't electoralism and at worst is a white-centric group of hipsters that is unconcerned about the plight of the oppressed, liberation, and seems to get awfully close to class reductionism a lot of the time (with Amber all but admitting she is one). We shouldn't want to be associated with that. I don't fault anyone for listening to it - I did myself until a couple months ago. But when we make that the name of the site, it's on some level an endorsement even if we try to sort of weasel out of it by saying no no, it's the name of a former Reddit sub not the podcast.
I just don't see the distinction. This is still, barring some incredible changes, going to be an offshoot of the dead /r/chapotraphouse. That doesn't mean it's not distinct. But in the end, we're substituting chapo.chat, a name directly referencing the /r/cth roots, to hexbear, which is a meme but still from the subreddit. We've got one more derivative and it's even more obscure now. I'm just not sure how that's any more clear, or what the real point of the distinction is. I really, really believe either we need to think long and hard about what this site is even supposed to be, or the admins need to announce their full vision for this site because we're kind of just guessing right now.
This. This is exactly how I feel. The chapo name has value because it identifies what we are and roughly where we came from. Anyone who clicks onto hexbear is going to get a sea of of bizarrely obscure left wing injokes, an insular community of shared reference points that are a mystery to them and a whole lot of confusion. If they're serious about a name change, more than the name needs to change or its just going to create a website like an old buffy forum where 20-30 posters who all know each other reply to each other ad nauseum and drive away any new members with their insular culture. Which is what I suspect will happen tbh.
I didn't take TC69's post to be quite so literally about using this site to get folks into the PSL, for example, and how the name hampers that. I took it much more as a criticism of the podcast, which is good and I very much agree with. The PSL example was a way to highlight how leftist folks who aren't terminally online like we are view the podcast. Which is that at best, it seems ambivalent about anything that isn't electoralism and at worst is a white-centric group of hipsters that is unconcerned about the plight of the oppressed, liberation, and seems to get awfully close to class reductionism a lot of the time (with Amber all but admitting she is one). We shouldn't want to be associated with that. I don't fault anyone for listening to it - I did myself until a couple months ago. But when we make that the name of the site, it's on some level an endorsement even if we try to sort of weasel out of it by saying no no, it's the name of a former Reddit sub not the podcast.
I just don't see the distinction. This is still, barring some incredible changes, going to be an offshoot of the dead /r/chapotraphouse. That doesn't mean it's not distinct. But in the end, we're substituting chapo.chat, a name directly referencing the /r/cth roots, to hexbear, which is a meme but still from the subreddit. We've got one more derivative and it's even more obscure now. I'm just not sure how that's any more clear, or what the real point of the distinction is. I really, really believe either we need to think long and hard about what this site is even supposed to be, or the admins need to announce their full vision for this site because we're kind of just guessing right now.
This. This is exactly how I feel. The chapo name has value because it identifies what we are and roughly where we came from. Anyone who clicks onto hexbear is going to get a sea of of bizarrely obscure left wing injokes, an insular community of shared reference points that are a mystery to them and a whole lot of confusion. If they're serious about a name change, more than the name needs to change or its just going to create a website like an old buffy forum where 20-30 posters who all know each other reply to each other ad nauseum and drive away any new members with their insular culture. Which is what I suspect will happen tbh.