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  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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    4 years ago

    Uhhh, because the conflation of leftism and veganism requires a set foundational premises that are not universally agreed upon on the left.

    • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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      4 years ago

      This is the same reason people throw shitfits about China, totalitarianism, market socialism, or anything else.

      You might think you've got the right set of foundational premises to deduce the correct conclusions, but so does everyone else, and yet they still disagree with you.

      • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        This is the same reason people throw shitfits about China, totalitarianism, market socialism, or anything else.

        It isn't tho

        China is a world away and the only people who throw shitfits about it are actual white supremacists or their brainwashees. I can hold a positive opinion of China and it doesn't cost me anything.

        Veganism actually forces me to change something about myself and that's uncomfortable.

        That being said, I also don't think complete veganism will ever happen, there's never been a vegan traditional culture on earth, I was raised as a vegetarian and craved meat, even boiled chicken at least once a week or so

        That ALSO being said virtually everyone in the western world eats too much meat out of habit/gluttony

        • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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          4 years ago

          Veganism actually forces me to change something about myself and that’s uncomfortable.

          Having your opinion changed on China does as well, so I am not sure what distinction you're trying to draw. Beginning to see that you've been an 'unwitting pawn parroting CIA propaganda' (or whatever the line is) seems pretty uncomfortable to me.

          • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Beginning to see that you’ve been an ‘unwitting pawn parroting CIA propaganda’ (or whatever the line is) seems pretty uncomfortable to me.

            idk, it wasn't even remotely uncomfortable for me. It was actually really exciting, and it opened up a whole new perspective of knowledge and had me second-guess a lot of "established" facts.

            eating zero meat: definitely very uncomfortable for me. I would compare not eating meat to not orgasming, it's just extremely hard to resist that, which is why I still do it

            • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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              4 years ago

              idk, it wasn’t even remotely uncomfortable for me. It was actually really exciting, and it opened up a whole new perspective of knowledge and had me second-guess a lot of “established” facts.

              I mean you can say the same thing about anti-imperialism and leftism so I'm really straining to see the distinction you're trying to draw.

              • howdyoudoo [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                so I’m really straining to see the distinction you’re trying to

                new way of thinking =/= new way of eating
                the former is easier to do

                I mean you can say the same thing about anti-imperialism and leftism

                those things aren't being vegan. being vegan is less appealing for people than agreeing with things.
                Let's put it this way: I had no idea what a democrosocialiwhatchamalit was when I was 4 years old. But I knew that flesh go in tumtum = tum feel good. Obviously that gastronomical material craving is stronger than any political leaning