Shit like this really fucks with me. If people here, who came to a website explicitly ML, who believe in everything from wage slavery to reparations to abolishment of all borders, still side with "fuck off, animal slavery is fine" over "enslavement is cruel" then what's the fucking point?

  • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    These are purported leftists, not even the general public. If this is the "left"; calling everyone with a different opinion a white imperialist and stamping your feet with your fingers in your ear when someone makes an argument you can't logically challenge, then the movement is dead.

      • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        If those 60 people are to be believed they're all third worlders whose only access to protein is dog meat and I'm a white devil colonizer (despite being of indigenous descent) for wanting them to starve.

    • GruttePier [any]
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      4 years ago

      I mean the logic doesn't matter much if people don't agree on the fundamental intuition that animals are part of the moral community.

      Being a moralising debate nerd isn't going to really help animal liberation.

      No animal is going to sacrifice themselves for the cause of socialism. Veganism is not a prerequisite for socialist organisation.

      At best a socialist society would require us radically changing our relationship with the production of food. But I have a hard time imagining that would ever translate into a society that is completely vegan.