• Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    de-volition 100.0000% of Communism has been built. There are no more evil child-murdering billionaires and shit-eating grins too. You have single-handedly raised the Commune of '02 from the oceanic trench where it has been resting, covered in ghosts and seaweed!

    • djphdk [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      de-shivers [Legendary:Success] As you look upward, into the rolling mists around Revachol, a vision comes to you. Strikingly clear, even in the alcohol haze of your mind. The Pale will be driven back by revolutionary fervor. It is the terrible air of oppression itself; it will not withstand the might of a liberated working class. The Pale will dissipate like fog in the morning sun. The isolas will be joined and Communism will be built.

      dubois-depressed Will anyone be shot in the head?

      de-encyclopedia [Easy:Success] Someone is always shot in the head

      de-shivers A great many brave communards will be shot in the head. But, just this once, that will not be enough. Communism will win. The Revolution will sweep this world and into the beyond. The stars are next, detective. You might even live to see it.

    • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Absent powerful capitalist and colonial forces seeking to re-establish themselves, a late-stage Marxist-Leninist society would look approximately horizontal.

      The only real hierarchical structures worth preserving are ones that follow from natural deviations in human capabilities and desires. Basically just deferring authority to subject matter experts and not letting 8 year olds determine they want candy for every meal.

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Some Marxists argue that decentralized production leads to exchange which leads to commodity production.

        This is a bad argument because there's lots of ways to move things that aren't exchange (Graeber lists a few in Dawn of Everything), but lots of Marxists make it.

        • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          and then marxists will have a refutation for that refutation, and it goes on and on and on

          IRL frameworks will always have more viability than the theoretical, even if the theoretical is right its implementation must occur in order to actually approve it

          needless to say i hope world socialism will have lots of variety in order to create the most effective economic system while being owned by the workers and not held back by previously necessary frameworks

        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Graeber is an anarchist and is not a legitimate source. He literally believes people are not conscious.

          • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            He literally believes people are not conscious.

            what? when did graeber say this? legitimately interested.

            • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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              1 year ago

              It was in an interview, but I can't find it.

              Anyway:

              https://nonsite.org/back-to-work-review-of-david-graebers-bullshit-jobs/

          • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Hey, if you hate me so much you find my day old comments and troll post on them you should probably just block me

    • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      That is the end goal of our movement though, the economic stage of "communism" will entail a horizontal structure of the society. Just because it's unimaginable now, doesn't mean it won't be after god knows how many years of socialism.

      • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        It is not.

        It's not the end goal. The end goal is to free our creative labor for other things. There will still be administration though.

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      • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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        1 year ago

        what tendency am I if i don't think it'll just wither away, but abolishing states while capitalist ones are still around (certainly not when they're hegemonic) isn't viable?

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          • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            The state going away comes from the analysis that states are tools of class suppression and that if there are no classes, the state loses its reason to exist.

            There are lots of obsolete institutions that persist through their obsolescence. Institutions are self perpetuating. The state will have to be destroyed.

            • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              what i think they mean is that they will be taken apart naturally after we have effectively mobilized the working class

              a politically educated working class is the best way to have a strong pace to communism

        • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I think you agree with the private thoughts of most communists in leadership in AES states.

      • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Uh, no, communism is not anarchy. Anarchists want no leaders and horizontality. Communists still want administration. This is how many MLs throughout history have understood it.

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          • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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            1 year ago

            That's not what other anarchists tell me. It would be nice if anarchists agreed on something.

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              • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Doesn't matter. There's no one template for anarchism or anarchists, hence, they can believe anything.