My friend is a total succdem, and we got to talking about the usual stuff like UBI, work, economy, and all that. So I remarked about all the good things China has been doing when it came to green tech, poverty alleviation, and all that. Woo boy. That's when the genocide accusations came out. I tried to link him BayArea451's video but he refused to watch it because he said it was Chinese propaganda. He then told me I wasn't thinking critically and that all my talking points came from China and all my sources must be paid off by China. I gave him proof that actually all of his sources where paid by the US and that shutted him up. I doubt I got through to him but good lord the state of western chauvinism. It's like they don't actually believe in anything or have any of their own opinions, you try to argue with them and their eyes just glaze over. You know what really pisses me off though is I'm in a chat group that this guy mods. And he's not going to ban me. He thinks I'm a literal genocide denier but he won't ban me, because he's a fuckin lib. Can't even stand up for the shit they claim to care about.

Sorry for that rant, but man, I'm tired of how effective this propaganda campaign has been. Everyone in the west has brain worms.

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    The CCP and US government are both extremely powerful institutions and leftists simping for a powerful institution is cringe. We should be fighting on behalf of the Chinese, Uyghur, and American people, not fucking Xi Jinping or Joe Biden.

    Maybe consider that 90% of the Chinese people support the party? You speak as if there is room here to detach the party from the Chinese which is the same shit you see the reactionaries on Reddit who "only hate the government and not the people".

    The people are behind the government. We know this, you know this, stop pretending there is room to "criticize the CCP" without casting doubt onto the Chinese people themselves who currently hold the government and their leader in high regard.

    You say we should be fighting on behalf of the Chinese people. The Chinese people are behind the government, both literally as working for and with it and supporting it. What now?

    • DresySupremacy [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I mean conflating popular support with whether something is right or wrong is a tricky logic to follow. I mean the people off every country in the world are behind the governments that govern them, that's kinda a obvious dummy sentence. No institution should be free from criticism, regardless of what the popular support they have.

      I generally think the Chinese government does a good job, but some policies are somewhat problematic.

    • SadSoulja [love/loves]
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      4 years ago

      stop pretending there is room to “criticize the CCP” without casting doubt onto the Chinese people themselves who currently hold the government and their leader in high regard.

      Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism type logic at work here again. The Chinese people can support their government for dramatically raising their standard of living and still not be responsible for the possible abuses its government is committing.

      The Chinese people are behind the government, both literally as working for and with it and supporting it. What now

      Lmao every Chinese person doesn’t work for the government dude, you live in a black and white world where the CCP can do no wrong. Some day you will realize a country’s government and its citizens are not inextricably linked—even with the citizens who support it.

      -Soulja

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        The Chinese people can support their government for dramatically raising their standard of living and still not be responsible for the possible abuses its government is committing.

        Why do you think that is the only reason they support the government? Some shit thread here a few days ago was pushing CIA talking points over AOC and Tibet and nobody stops to consider neither the Chinese or Tibetans want independence. Same thing here if you think the Chinese only support the government because their income went up.

        Make a better argument other than the Chinese only like their government because they are earning more, maybe there are more reasons and policies they support too.

        Lmao every Chinese person doesn’t work for the government dude, you live in a black and white world where the CCP can do no wrong. Some day you will realize a country’s government and its citizens are not inextricably linked—even with the citizens who support it.

        Maybe you should tell that to the Chinese that overwhelmingly support their government. You are bending your back backwards trying to avoid admitting the reactionary "I hate the government not the people".

        My point is the government is made by the people and supported by the people. By casting doubt on the government you are casting doubt on the people.

        Nobody actually cares about your liberal virtue signaling here. You write shit like what China does should give a leftist pause, which is only true of a "leftist" that doesn't know history. Maybe the 25th time the great USA claims another country is committing crimes we should listen because maybe this time around the CIA is right?

        You should have this stance based on the history of US imperialism alone. Real Iraq WMD moment here couple with Reddit virtue signaling liberalism.

        • SadSoulja [love/loves]
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          4 years ago

          Okay maybe all Chinese people hate Muslims, clearly you’re the expert here lmao clown

          -Soulja