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“The alternative to a rules-based order is a world in which might makes right and winner takes all and that would be a far more violent and unstable world,” Blinken said.
The Chinese fired back. Yang Jiechi, a member of the Politburo, offered a lengthy monologue in which he said Western nations don’t represent global public opinion and called the U.S. the “champion” of cyber-attacks.
“Many people within the United States actually have little confidence in the democracy of the United States,” he said, citing the killing of Black Americans and the Black Lives Matter movement. Near the end of his opening remarks, he said Blinken’s comments weren’t “normal” and added that in response “mine aren’t either.”
Things only got worse from there. Cameras were ushered from the room, only to be called back in. Yang and Foreign Minister Wang Yi took the opportunity to follow up with even more criticism. “Is that the way you had hoped to conduct this dialogue?” Yang asked, according to his delegation’s translator. “I think we thought too well of the United States. The United States isn’t qualified to speak to China from a position of strength.”
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Mic Drop .... :xi-clap: :xi-lib-tears:
I have access to some Chinese social media and there is a lot of cheering and fist-pumping today. Comparisons are being made to the high-handed way China was treated in the past by US diplomats and now are paying them back in their own coin.
please send our greetings :)
Uh, it's better if you don't identify yourself in such situations. Chinese have nowhere to output their rage and when these occasional situations pop up you just have to sit them out. I'd get dogpiled in a second, and honestly the chaos that the US left has been causing hasn't made a good impression either. They have a word, 'baizuo' which is a very specific insult for this kind of person. It's unfortunate, especially considering the CPC itself was engaged in such chaos-causing campaigns 100 years ago in the 1920s with the goal to smash the state.
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The faction that's been causing all the fires and damage. It's been broadcast over and over on Chinese social media and has done a ton of damage to the idea of "freedom" and "democracy" in China. The idea being that if you give Chinese people the same freedoms, these same results will occur. China had decades of chaos, much within living memory. Never again, they say. They prefer the CPC with all its faults.
Are you talking about the BLM protests? Lmao so much for solidarity eh.
A lot of Chinese look up to America and wish they had the freedoms we had. Then they see video after video of violence and small businesses being looted and burned out, and conclude: this is what they do with their freedom?
And you think the CPC doesn't jump right in afterwards and say, "See? This is what we're protecting you from. You want freedom? This is what you're going to get. Better to stick with us, no matter how awful we are." Chinese people fear chaos more than anything else. They had quite enough of it during their lifetimes and anyone over 60 lived through it. The scars are deep and will not heal soon.
Research on the protests show time and time again that the overwhelming majority were peaceful. The "violence" is the cost of trying to solve crime by pressing a militarized unaccountable police force on poor people. Whatever they've gone through, theres no telling us what to do with our freedom especially if they can't bother to get facts right.
The cops didn't set all those stores on fire. It greatly damaged the credibility of pro-democracy forces in China and the CPC made sure it got top billing on all the social media. Kind of like how Youtube artificially puts videos they politically approve of in the "Trending" category or Twitter inflates hashtags. It was used against the Hong Kong protesters, too. "They're two sides of the same coin! We must stop these wreckers before they cause havoc like they did in America!"
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China is a profoundly different society with no experience of democracy. Their values are not our values. You don't expect people to accept those values, but just understand them.
One of my hobbies is 20th century Chinese history from 1904-1978 and boy, did they get a dose of chaos during that time. Anyone who promises stability, and then follows up on their end of the deal, is going to win a great deal of support. And the CPC has done that. 20 years ago China was a dusty shithole, now even small cities have skyscrapers and electric buses and malls.
Yes, I think that they do not say this. I’m directly contesting that the CPC says this, please provide source. I’m especially interested in them framing it the way you have as freedom being what causes protests, and also the part where they talk about how awful they are.
Oh yeah? The Chinese people yearn for the freedom and democracy of America, and relief from the terror of communism, but they're disheartened by our BLM riots? That's wild, dude. So anyway how's life in the CIA?
It's not the "terror of communism", it's rule by the CPC. Despite everything, they're still delivering on the economic prosperity that gives them legitimacy in the first place. Still, some Chinese people want full freedoms because the CPC does a lot of stupid shit, especially at the local level, and nobody can talk back to them. You can't vote the bastards out.
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You're making a ridiculous exaggeration, but the gist of what you say is essentially true.
Heck, after Trump and Brexit, a lot of westerners aren't so hot on the idea of democracy either. If it can produce invalid results like that, then it's obvious that we need a new system, a post-democracy system. The current system is broken if reactionaries can use it for their advantage. How can you reform the systems that replicate inequities? You can't. Democracy is not the end, we need post democracy systems. And they have to be better than the average Joe. Because that's the point we are at, problems are over the head of the average Joe. We've all seen what happens when the Joes all speak together - disaster.
-- Mao Zedong
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So...you...random internet commenter...know socialism better than Mao Zedong.
Well OK then.
Personally I think he was one of the most astute political commentators ever, and had much to say that is worth reading. And he not only outlasted the Japanese, but he won a civil war where the other side had every possible advantage, including massive weapons transfers from the USA.
-- Mao
Oh I understand .... , can you elaborate on "Baizuo" by the way ...
It refers to how western leftists are seen in China. They have every freedom the Chinese want for themselves, and yet use these freedoms in a manner that Chinese find irresponsible, self-indulgent, and ultimately self-defeating. China went through its struggle session phase and does not, ever, want to return to that kind of situation.
In my experience in online chicom circles, Baizuo is generally used for those on the American left who says that they are for self-determination and socialism, but are willing to listen to and collaborate with the American state to bash Syria, China, Iran.etc. So I was always under the impression that Baizuo referred to demsoc/socdem AOC/Ilhan Omar characters who'd preach for socialist policies at home but then will supporting drone strikes.
"Chicom"? That's a blast from the past. How old are you, grandpa?
Not to be a dick about it, but the English-speaking Chinese world in the west is different from the Chinese-speaking world. Baizuo are people who have every freedom Chinese people want and yet use such freedoms in ways Chinese find incomprehensibly reprehensible.
I know that the Americans from way back loved to use Chicom as an insult, but I'm Chi and I'm com and I like the word so I'm using it.
I think it's just another case of the same word being used for different purposes, the majority of people in China is non-political and as such would not know what Baizuo means and would not give a fuck about them. My hillbilly family in north east would have no idea what I mean by Baizuo, but will know exactly what I'm talking about if I say Baiguizi. Baizuo is one of those words where you project your political enemies onto, my fellow tankies uses Baizuo as a stand in for anarchists, socdems and demsocs. I'm guessing you're likely interacting with liberals/progressives in China, who probably uses it to insult the American liberal/social left who are making their ideology look bad.
Holy fuck I need to sleep I'm blanking so hard.
Chicom died out when we had to stop making the difference between PRC and ROC. Now PRC is "China" and ROC is "Taiwan" and anyone you see still using Chicom is usually a grandpa who fought in Korea or some frothing right winger who is still fighting the Cold War.
Oh, so you're using the word wrong then. That explains it.
Wow, you really are up on dated terms, aren't you? You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Better to switch to yangguizi or meidi. Or just stop using words you don't understand altogether.
and they are dead on ! , fucking china figureing it all out...................
Dude you didn't get the message, they want you to be a civility lib basically. That and also identity politics/political correctness stuff.
It's very weird how people say "wow these people are so right about us" but would attack anyone else for saying the same thing lol
The comments even on this NBC News video are all pro-China lmao.
The US has treated so many high-handedly over the decades, you can't just put the Trump Pandora back in the box and pretend you're not just continuing the same but with the old idealist facade like Biden and co are trying to do.
The vultures are circling and many will cheer them on.
Trump had little or no influence over the State Department. He did however force them into a round of layoffs, which was accompanied by much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
State could negotiate away our jobs and get millions of us laid off and coldly dismiss us as losers. But the moment downsizing hit them - a single time - it was a world tragedy.