So much for "we support our vegan comrades" from what, 3 days ago

  • vegangobrr [he/him]
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    Mainstream vegan sub is capitalism.. It's a completely different perspective. And a lot of libs/capitalists hate CTH sub ppl and think we're assholes so your point is quite idiotic indeed.

    • Hexagon [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Mainstream vegan sub is capitalism

      I don't agree at all, most of what I can find on it shows that anti capitalist sentiments are rather popular. Just from a quick search of "capitalism" I found https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/lrnm7z/veganism_is_cheap_plantbased_capitalism_is_fraud/, and https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/fx4uhl/veganism_makes_me_despise_capitalism/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/dgw231/what_stage_of_capitalism_is_it_when_you_think/ and even a poll with the large majority of responses being that they're anti capitalist https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/lugzhh/as_a_vegan_are_you_anticapitalist/

      Just because they kick you out for yelling at members excited for vegan options at fast food restaurants doesn't mean they are "fake non vegan capitalists" in disguise like VCJ says they are.

      • vegangobrr [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        You don't agree because you've never been on the r/vegan sub, you literally just went there to do a quick search. Most of us have been there for years and see the types of posts (I've personally been there for 5 years). They have completely different approaches to animal liberation.

        • Hexagon [she/her]
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          This argument from the same places that defines all non vegans as anti leftist (including people like Castro or Mao) falls rather flat to me then to say that main sub isn't. If you're already way more exclusive with the word than others, who is to say that you aren't for /r/vegan? I've legit seen complaints that /r/vegan is too capitalist because they wanted to eat a vegan burger.

          • vegangobrr [he/him]
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            I can't do the marxism/vegan view justice myself in one post, but from the theory sub if anyone actually cared to read it:

            Marxists, in turn, do not hold animal liberation activists in particularly high regard either: they are often seen as strange ascetics and bourgeois moralists who invest themselves in negligible causes instead of focusing on the key issues. They are expected to take part in actions and alliances for class struggle, but to leave their ‗animal craze‘ at the door. Many comrades break out in cold sweat when they ponder a society in which both humans and animals alike are liberated from exploitation and oppression, since it would mean giving up their meat and cheese. And anyway: Friedrich Engels already made fun of the ―Herren Vegetarianer‖ who underestimated the importance of meat consumption in the history of human civilization and who were, at best, utopian socialists.

            Nevertheless, we reject this opposition and believe that the historical materialist analysis and critique of society developed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, the corre- sponding politics and the call to liberate animals from their socially produced suffering all necessarily belong together. On the one hand, demands for animal liberation are indeed moralist if they do not analyse the historically specific conditions in which the exploitation of animals is taking place and which social changes are necessary to end it. On the other hand, however, every Marxist critique of society remains incomplete if it does not consider the fact that, to make profits, the ruling classes have not only exploited the oppressed classes within the history of class struggle, but also and always animals (and nature).

      • PixeLord [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Anticapitalism that isn't affirmatively socialist is just capitalism with extra steps.