Problem-posing education does not and cannot serve the interests of the oppressor. No oppressive order could permit the oppressed to begin to question: Why?
Indeed, the interests of the oppressors lie in “changing the consciousness of the oppressed, not the situation which oppresses them”; for the more the oppressed can be led to adapt to that situation, the more easily they can be dominated.
Implicit in the banking concept [of education] is the assumption of a dichotomy between human beings and the world: a person is merely in the world, not with the world or with others…In this view, the person is not a conscious being (corpo consciente); he or she is rather the possessor of a consciousness: an empty “mind” passively open to the reception of deposits of reality from the world outside.
https://envs.ucsc.edu/internships/internship-readings/freire-pedagogy-of-the-oppressed.pdf
I think it's very significant that the dense core of Reddit's userbase hates children so much.
They do not want revolutions or positive change that improves society even somewhat. They want to persist as high as they can manage in the status quo, while hoarding toys.
If antinatalists were sincere you would not be hearing from them owing to their permanent inability to post. Or do anything.
I'm not sure I'm following what you mean by that.
Lots of affluent and probably-single people around my current locale sincerely despise children and give them dirty looks just for existing in public, especially on roads at school crossings. I got to make eye contact with lots of them when volunteering as a crossing guard before and daring to slow down their commute slightly.
I mean that they coat their mundane hatred of children in philosophical dress-up about how life itself is suffering.
They do, they do.
No wonder so many of them want to escape into some ostensibly-better "simulation" promised by some nerd-rapture in the future and/or see the lived reality around them as some "simulation" already as an excuse to dehumanize other people and living things as "NPCs."
do they? I have never once seen an anti-natalist reference simulation theory
Not as part of anti-natalism as a decreed intent, no, but the ideological overlap (and posting history) between one ideology and the other belief system was pretty significant for a few years on Reddit. Both were popular and popular things with similar converging interests with users posting in communities related to both.
yeah I've never once came accross anyone who believed both things though so I don't think that is part of it
I've met and come across people believing in both things. Not seeing any vast gap of impossibility here.
Here's some receipts:
I'm assuming you're that invested in believing that lived life is a simulation or in antinatalism to make this your personal "nuh uh" crusade.
i'm fucking begging you people to understand the difference between never beginning and stopping something that already started.
I’m fucking begging you to understand that random chodes on reddit don’t hate kids out of a deep philosophical commitment
reddit is big enough and old enough to have users with multiple distinct positions and motivations and you shouldn't paint with so broad a brush.
Do you mean specifically on Reddit?
In this case yes, but it can be more widespread.
I would use the analogy of redditors addicted to gore. They’ll write entire essays waxing poetic about how they like to watch gore because it philosophically reminds them of the fragility of the human condition or some other bullshit to cover for the fact that they’re just sad basement dwellers who’ve substituted cartel torture videos for porn.
And with the whole “men’s rights” circlejerk, hatred of children is almost always a proxy for their hatred of the evil seductress women entrapping them with an anchor baby. Just like with their gore addiction, they must pretend that their positions are something deeply philosophical instead of impotent MRA rage.
We can be anti-natalist without being anti-living. We see preventing a birth as something different than
(CW: self harm)
killing someone or oneself. It's like saying pro-choice people should kill themselves because they would have liked to be aborted anyway.
pro choice means pro women having the ability to get abortions it doesn't mean pro abortion in the general case
Lots of anti-natalist men. No small number of them are obsessed with "anchor babies" and getting "trapped" by an SO and other nasty theories about how children are some inherent threat to their entitled existence.
I see far fewer anti-natalist women, by comparison.
I would appreciate if you distinguished between reddit antinatalists and antinatalists writ large
They are equally bigoted and ridiculous
Its a selection bias. Folks that were more militant and active got pruned from the system. Big sub mods hate activists. Admins hate activist mods. The end result is a site that's little more than a headline news feed with ForwardsFromGrandma tier comments, because anyone outside of that mold gets censored, kicked, or sitewide banned.