Inb4 productive forces.
Tbf who knows how many hands this passed through before ending up with the Australian navy. But it isn’t a good look. Plus, you’d think manufacturers would want as small of a supply chain as possible for military applications to prevent sabotage or whatever.
China's not the first to do this. Without the raw materials delivered from the Soviet Union to Germany, the Nazi's would've been absolutely unable to launch Operation Barbarossa.
But it's likely that in this case it's just the Australian military blaming China for their own incompetence.
lmao that dude's an absolute anti-communist who wrote or edit a bunch of books about Solzhenitsyn .
The author of the book I linked is Edward Ericson III, the one you're talking about is Edward Ericson Jr. They're father and son but nonetheless different people with different views. Also, in contrast to works of Solzhenitsyn, "Feeding the German Eagle" is well sourced and respected among academics.
To point to what's actually in the novel; what aspect of Ericson's argument on pages 182-3 do you disagree with?
I'm not a historian or anything so I couldn't really say, it just reads like any one of those "wow the Soviets actually helped the Nazis", but in a "oh they were mainly incompetent" flavor instead of "oh they were collaborators" flavor you usually see.
Like on page 183 (182 was not available in the preview), he writes
On the other hand, if any country helped the Germans to near triumph in the war, it was the USSR. Despite the relatively small delivery totals when compared to the later Lend-Lease figures, Stalin had nonetheless unwittingly provided the extra dose of strength the Fuhrer needed to launch his drive for Lebensraum.
I mean I guess some of that could be accurate, I'm still just wary of this kind of stuff especially when he literally says the USSR "helped the Germans to near triumph", like did he not remember that the USSR was fighting them that entire time? It would be really easy for the author to blow this stuff way out of proportion to live up to the name of the book and make it seem like the USSR accidentally helped the Nazis win. Does the book give the Soviet side of the story in terms of what they needed to industrialize? Could the USSR have fought with whatever strength they did if they hadn't traded with Germany? What would their alternative have been? It's always easier to justify a viewpoint way after the fact.
I really respect your view, and there's a lot of truth in it. Here's my perspective:
The USSR was a state whose existence had an overwhelmingly positive impact on the lives of it's citizens and the broader cause of global liberation. Stalin was a leader whose actions had a positive impact on the direction and strength of the USSR. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a rational move by the USSR, which made sense under the assumptions held by Soviet leaders. Most importantly, it was certainly no indication of sameness between the Nazis and Soviet's, and attempts like "black ribbon day" to label it as such are as disgusting as they are wrong.
But, even the USSR and Stalin made mistakes. The assumption held by Soviet Leadership that they would benefit more from the pact in the long-term was correct, but they failed to anticipate the possibility that Hitler would use the short-term advantage it granted to fulfill his genocidal vision as soon as possible. Similarly the assumption that by fulfilling their end of the bargain (even as Germany's commitment to it's terms began to falter) Germany would be less inclined to invade them turned out dead-wrong. If nothing else, the lesson of the M-R pact should be that if you're the leader of a socialist state; never assume that anti-communist forces are rational or trustworthy, really, expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed.
I would never signal boast Ericson or relay his perspective to non-leftists, in the same way I wouldn't spend my time loudly proclaiming failings of the USSR, or other socialist states, to liberals. But I feel comfortable in speaking about the the (mostly understandable) mistakes of past socialist states on this site precisely because most here are leftists and already support the same causes and end goal which I do (yes I'm including anarchists and communists here. We're all fighting for a stateless, classless society). They just disagree on how to get there, and I believe that it's generally positive to learn from the past to see what worked, and what didn't. In my view, the M-R pact was something which didn't work, and lessons from it can be applied today, and perhaps even to the topic of this thread.
Now I'm aware that nothing I do or say will change anything that China does. But I believe that when comrades are discussing what they perceive to be a mistake made by the Chinese state, there is value in bringing up a relevant historical example of something similar which occurred. To add context if nothing else.
China will trade with literally anybody, it’s one of the policies that has allowed them to make it this far. One has to wonder if they’ll begin to use trade in a more ideological way now that they’re reaching a position of strength in the global market.
i'm wondering as hard as i can lol when does it start working
If they used trade in a more ideological way they would be branded imperialist.
its not a not good look. its a non-story. every fucking country ever sells amterials and buys manufacture. stop embarrasing yourself, ultra
Lmao, “ultra”. Marxist-Leninist parties around the world have criticisms of China. Foh.
Came here to comment that. Isn't Australia like the number one producer of it lol
Largest Alumina and Bauxite exporter, Largest Bauxite miner, and 2nd Largest Alumina producer. 6th largest Aluminium metal producer. Literally no excuse to buy from China for something that might need to be manufactured under war or trade embargo.
We are literally mining Bauxite, sending it to China, and then having them make dodgy metal plates for us to buy. Tremendous flex by the Chinese.
My understanding is that "tremendous flex" was one of the problems reported with the aluminum itself, so this checks out
Aluminium is less bauxite and more solidified electricity ( 211GJ per tonne compared to 23 GJ per tonne for steel). australia just has over privatised markets and lesss govt omph to make the cheap lecky possible. https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html.
Or is this quantum 75D baccarat and they sent dodgy supplies on purpose?
Sabotaging imperialist military construction is praxis. Just a question of whether its accidental or purposeful.
China controls over 50% of the world aluminum production.
You could think it is a good idea to start calling the shots on who gets to buy that production until you realize China is still heavily relying on imports of things like food.
If you want to start a global economic war you should do it over something more meaningful than Coca cans.
Meanwhile Australia is completely irrelevant, these PT boats are the smallest class of military vessels. The cruise missiles used to sink these rubber ducks are worth 1/10 of the cost so let Jimmy play on the bathtub if he wants to.
But thanks to the efficiency of capitalism, they didn't use their own aluminum
China never claimed to have reached full socialism yet...
some historical context
tldr: "China is unique, socialism is socialism, revisionism doesn't exist" nice context!
They’re used to round up asylum seekers trying to reach Australian shores :)
Dumb shit like this is why western leftism won't go anywhere. We'd be too busy having constant hanghups about relatively unimportant stuff.
