This was fun last time, leggo again

I'll start with: libertarians have solid takes ~40-50% of the time and many of them just need to be pushed a step further in their thinking to turn against capitalist oppression along with state oppression. The libright-to-leftist pipeline is stronger than most seem to think it is.

  • vorenza [any]
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    Slightly unpopular opinions: -Breadtube is cool and good, just because you've moved past it doesn't mean people who need introduction to leftist spaces don't exist.

    -Making fun of neolibs for "people were mean to me on twitter so i'm against healthcare" is just stupid. You have 2 choices: Either you gain people for the movement, or you have fun by scolding people on twitter. You can do both against different sets of people, but not the same people.

    -Related to previous point, people will be turned off by leftists being assholes and "dirtbags". Being nice doesn't guarantee turning them over to our side, but being a dickhead guarantees they won't.

    -Misogyny, racism etc. exist in left spaces. It might be to a lesser extent compared to libs or conservatives, but it still does.

    -Posting screenshots of random people on twitter is stupid. Stop angerjerking, it's unhealthy and has no use. Use that energy to organize or reading.

    Actually unpopular opinion: -It's valid to make fun of Stalin and/or Mao or any leftists leader for making stupid ass decisions.

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        shutting chuds up

        I never saw that happen but i accept that it might work.

        projects power that’s attractive to the kind of dork

        Depends on the audience and how you do it. If you do it in a way that it makes your opponent stupid, sure. If you just insult people you can work up people already on your side but it won't gain new people.

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            it´s a shame that vaush is such a lib, but i think he´s overall doing good for leftism. Fuck him as a person though

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      Actually unpopular opinion: -It’s valid to make fun of Stalin and/or Mao or any leftists leader for making stupid ass decisions.

      wow so brave literally maoist doctrine

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      -Related to previous point, people will be turned off by leftists being assholes and “dirtbags”. Being nice doesn’t guarantee turning them over to our side, but being a dickhead guarantees they won’t.

      I'd go so far as to say this is less an opinion and more just factually incorrect. There's a reason chapo was by far the most popular left sub on reddit. People like casual, "normal," frank people who act like assholes sometimes. The dirtbag left aesthetic drew in so many people who otherwise would never have looked into leftist thought at all.

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        That's different though, not what i meant. I meant going to twitter and calling some guy dumbass and expecting that person to be receptive of leftist ideas.

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          Yeah, I know that's what you meant. You're wrong. Believe it or not, some people get called a dumbass and think, "huh, I wonder where that guy's coming from" and look into it.