Ever since Kamala got the VP bid, the liberals have come out of the fucking woodwork and conversations circled back around to Joe Biden's electability. I'm seriously finding it hard to put into words my level of shock at the DNC puppets who genuinely insist that Joe Biden was the more electable candidate, despite the fact that almost 70% of Americans want Medicare for all, affordable housing and affordable education. Joe Biden just openly says that he's against those things, and no one bats a fucking eye.
The thing that gets me the most about all of this: Bernie won the first three states easily. He was considered a favorite to win it all, by far. Then, what, Joe Biden wins South Carolina and the entire media apparatus turns on the guy with the most delegates? A few days later, all other serious candidates drop out and endorse Joe Biden? God, you have to be extremely disingenuous or just not paying attention at all to see what happened here. But liberals think we're conspiracy theorists for pointing out the extremely obvious bullshit. What is your argument against this? How do you keep defaulting to what you think the people believe when all the brain-poisoned ilk do is whatever MSNBC or CNN tells them to do? What the fuck man I just want to get out of this stupid country
Libs checked their brains at the door sometime in 2010. They no longer care about anything.
You can't listen to them. They don't even know what they're saying anymore. Completely uncritical of themselves. Zero self awareness.
They had to defend Obama for so long, they've just come to think of themselves as the aesthetic opposition to the GOP. That's all that's required of them.
You can do literally anything as long as you're not voting for Trump and you couch it in psuedo woke language.
I honestly think it's also cope the way some people blame it all on Bernie's flaws or his strategy. Not that he can't be critiqued, but it's like looking at a body that got stabbed in the back and going, "Wow, this guy wasn't eating right, no wonder he died." Obama fucked the primaries with the help of the media. It's as obvious as the Epstein murder. Thinking that "if Bernie had just done what I wanted him to do with his campaign, this wouldn't have happened" is rationalising.
Haven't seen this take much honestly.
Most people on the left now say "his task was impossible." He probably could have campaigned better, but the unknown reality was that the average Dem voter is basically a Republican.
Maybe it's cooled down by now, but at the time I can certainly remember seeing a lot of people reacting to the disappointment by blaming Bernie himself. I think he could have won over a lot of those average Dem voters (since as OP points out, the policies themselves are reasonably popular) but there were obviously too many forces working against him.
I don't think so. I think the "popularity" of a lot of those positions is bad signifier of what the average Dem is like.
People want healthcare like they want a vacation or something, it's a "nice to have."
But what Bernie was going to require of them, like serious labor activism in the streets to force the issue? Dems would side with cops on that.
Libs aren't serious. They want things to be better without anything changing, or any conflict at all.
If they had to choose between serious struggle or just going back to sleep and watching it rot, there's no doubt about what they choose.
They've accepted disempowerment. The only people they'd fight are us at this point. They are like the abuse victim that doesn't want to anger their abuser.
Yeah, lib inertia is a decent point. It's weird arguing with libs because you can get them to agree on a lot of stuff but when you talk to them a few days later they're right back to where they started. If the consent-manufacturing had been on Bernie's side even a little bit, we might have been able to find out how far he could have pushed them.
I never thought about it like this, this is a great way to put it. I've droned on for hours with lib family and friends for days, months, years on end and it seems as though we are in near total fucking agreement every single time and then at the next bbq these motherfuckers are still like "yeah well the meanie Palestinians also throw those small sharp rocks back the soldiers so you know it's both sides. I can totally see both sides. Such a shame!"
One thing I've realized about libs is they can only conceive of power coming from someone else. The "demanding to see capitalism's manager" memes are fundamentally correct. Libs can't envision direct action as being successful, because action can only come from above by a 'duly constituted' authority.
It's a shocking passivity, and I don't know how we break through it.
And they viscerally react when they see someone do autonomous/collective direct action. It pisses them off because following the rules is the most important part of the game. Win or lose, gotta play by the rules. Them's the rules after all. Because life is a game when you can't envision yourself really losing anything of value.
Absolutely! "Who said you could do that?!" is a rallying cry for them.
Libs are like Red Coats confidently lining up in perfect rows with muskets in a open field hoping to defeat an elite modern security force with 50 cal snipers, rpgs and bomber drones hiding in the snarling jungle right in front of them.
bernie had every chance to not say "my friend joe can definitely defeat donald trump"
Sure. But I don't think that's what rocketed Joe to the top or tanked his campaign.
Sorry to break your heart but most countries are really stupid in their own way
Agree about the cucked voting base of the party not forcing Biden to run on policies the majority of the party and Americans support, but Bernie did not win Iowa or NH easily lol it was close and he technically "lost" Iowa. That was our first warning sign that young people were not showing up in the numbers we needed, or if they were, half of them were stupid enough to vote for Warren or even Pete because he was marketed as the millennial candidate.
