"it's not the city's fault some homeless people refused shelter and chose to stay homeless"
:doubt: I wonder what the real story is
Don't know about LA but there are homeless shelters in many places that only shelter a specific kind of homeless, like, men-only or women-only, so if you are a homeless family you are fucked.
Also, a lot of shelters are night-only. You can’t stay there in the day or something.
Also, in my city, "we tried to house them" tends to mean "we gave them the phone number to get added to the shelter waitlists, all the shelters are full"
Most shelters or hotels offered during Covid don't allow unhoused to bring pets. Many have strict no alcohol/drug policies, and strict curfews.
There is a dehumanizing aspect that prevents full use.
Yeah. A lot of them also are like, basically just a closet, you can only stay in it for a month, don't even have a bathroom...
When the complaint is "the homeless people take up too much space" as it is here, giving them a "home" they can only bring a single garbage bag full of stuff to isn't an answer, especially when "buy back all the shit you had to throw out" is something they, by definition, can't do.
Invariably, people crying about the homeless just don't get the reality of the situation, once had some dude strung out of his mind on drugs - the only real way to temporarily escape the misery that is being homeless - act weird around them that one time.
Also if there aren't assurances of privacy and security (or even with them), I bet undocumented homeless/unhoused people or runaway kids are probably keen to avoid government-affiliated shelters.
Also, a lot of shelters are night-only. You can't stay there in the day or something.
And it's worth noting that many night only facilities aren't reliable as shelters because you can't reserve spots. They'll kick you out at 5:30, even in the middle of winter, and then you need to wait in line every night to get back in and hope they don't fill up or decide that they don't like you.
Yeah I’m interested in this too. My understanding was that LA was doing a better job than your average American city that just uses shelters - they actually were trying to provide housing. LA is a wretched shit lib place, but better than the vast majority of American cities if they actually made an effort at housing rather than sheltering. there must be more to the story
The city handed a homeless man the deed to a million dollar single family home in LA county, and he said "no thanks, I prefer my leaky tent because it'll really piss off some redditors".
I've talked to homeless people who "refuse shelter" heres a few reasons why:
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Shelters are a good place to get assaulted, especially for women.
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Shelters are a good place to get robbed.
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you have to pray to eat in many
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you lose a lot of autonomy
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you can't shoot up
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they're crowded, and if you're mentally ill, that can be terrifying.
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there's a long wait for maybe not getting a bed, and then you're stuck downtown
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they're surveilled, and therefore potential routes into prison
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camps are communities with job leads, mutual aid, friends. Shelters are collections of strangers.
Also, "offering shelter" isn't the city giving you a room, it's a flier with a list of shelters to call.
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The longer they live in certain neighborhoods, the more comfortable they will be
oh fuck, people becoming comfortable and developing some semblance of what having a home is like? thats fucking gross, relocate them all
What's your favorite part of this bloodthirsty screed? Mine is the part at the end where he implies that we need concentration camps.
I stopped reading at "if they aren't beaten out of their tents asap they become comfortable in that spot"
They're great! Their most famous work is their mini-doc on North Korea.
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My brother thinks they're cringe. :sadness:
Their humor is a bit cringe, but the info seems good.
Edit: ok, their humor is a little bit better in this one with just freeform responding.
I like their humor, it's taking the piss from the right things and people and makes it obvious how ridiculous this framing is.
Local subreddits are cesspools of reactionary psychopaths. Nextdoor with tech fetishists.
If Los Angeles didn't want shit on the ground, why not simply build public toilets and start a public works maintenance program to keep them clean and stocked?
not yet - we really need people to role play boomers accusing those advocating for lockdowns of murder
The bleeding-heart rural hoards invading cities and forcing them to be compassionate is certainly a take.
I love the idea that all the progressive activists are from red states like Ohio and Nebraska. Not saying that there aren’t comrades in those states, it just funny cause these dummies can’t even generalize correctly 😂
:amerikkka-clap:
also """cleaning up echo park""" holy shit
I read the copaganda serie of Harry Bosch by Michael Conelly and I recognized the name.
"Anyone that doesn't agree with me is not a native from LA"
These people literally just label everyone that doesn't agree with them an immigrant. Or in this case, just a migrant.
Asserting that only landed natives are allowed a vote.
And by natives, I mean whatever you'd call this guy paying $3,000/month for an apartment that was built on top of wherever the homeless people's houses were.
Let's put them in a giant facility in the desert that provides heath services, food and transportation
It never goes anywhere, but something really needs to be done about this
Damn, what do you call a facility in the desert that you put undesirables in? How has putting people in facilities like that worked out in the past?
It's insane. I sometimes think every local subreddit is AstroTurfed by the John Broch Society, but it's prob more likely that reactionary folks are drawn to post. There's something about the reactionary mind that needs to scream their insecurities into the void. Irrational and fear based thinking manifesting in posting must be tied to a fear of insignificance and the world not caring about bad things happening to these people. Like they can't fathom bad things happing to them, even though they see bad things happening to others every day.
but it’s prob more likely that reactionary folks are drawn to post.
It's probably this. It's similar to how every local crime story has (or at least used to have) hundreds of sunglass-goatee guys frothing out the mouth and talking about what they'd do to the guy.
>2025
>entirety of California on fire
>insurance companies overwhelmed, national economy devastated after one of its primary states and ports is erased from the map in a matter of weeks
>stream of refugees on par with the North African crisis
>neighbouring states are in worst drought in 1200 years
>affordable states think anyone in San Francisco or Los Angeles is a demonic paedophile who wants to destroy their entire way of life
>notwrong.jpg
>"I was born and raised in Ohio and I'm fucking sick of seeing these goddamn hipsters from Los Angeles, California or whatever shithole they come from and tell native Ohioans what's good for us. Most of these homeless aren't even from the midwest either, not that it really matters anymore. I know people here say everyday 'let's put them in a giant facility in Cleveland that provides health services, food, and transportation' and it never goes anywhere. But something really needs to be done about this. TL;DR fuck you anyone protesting against putting Californian refugees in concentration camps."
edit: Also, currently in Colorado the worst insult both a liberal and a fascist levies at transplants is "Californian". Even before a true exodus it has caused that exact cultural shift and driven up the cost of living to the point that other transplants can't afford to live in the area. Because they're coming from PMC positions and high-tech economies, they displace local workers as the state tries to transition to a high-tech economy as a matter of basic survival. They're coming from a state without guns, supremely hostile to guns, to a very heavily-armed area that hates them.
A bit of Bolshevism never hurt anyone. California's fires are as complex as ours, but in large part stem from the private mismanagement of their main power company- PG&E- and drought being worsened by unsustainable private water usage. Their state fire corps is so underfunded that it has to use prison labour while the people who own the almond groves vote against public protection and hire private firefighters. There's a shitload of wealth there and yet such a wealth gap that it's two very different states depending on your income. Hostility toward migrant populations is rooted in the existing material inequalities of the receiving state and their social framing. Colorado is primed against transplants when one guy in this area owns 13k acres of land and property speculators make buying a home nearly impossible. The transplants are the people delivering their packages and making their food while they hide in their luxury cabins. Midwestern hatred toward the coasts is because the Midwest is a developing nation outside of its major cities and that's just as artificially imposed by their local kulaks and the coastal liberals.
You asked a socialist for the solution, not what American lumpens and liberals are willing to do about it. My point in this thread isn't so much that there's going to be a constructive alternative possible as it is that Foucault's boomerang is going to bonk them for the thing they created and the moral conditions they enforce in their own backyard. I fully expect the worst possible outcome in most of those places and it's because of the people posting in that r/losangeles thread.
The BLM protests were mostly liberal efforts. From the get-go nothing about them made me optimistic as an ML and they showed every practical and philosophical limitation of that ideology. That's why I specified Bolshevism over more genericised means of revolt. When that movement is the largest focal point for unrest in the country, people will flock to it. When it doesn't seize that moment with a larger project, it's just the slightly more radical reformist effort than the democrats.
I hear the line so often that homeless people would rather stay on the streets than have a permanent place of residence like an apartment or a house - as if that was reason enough to treat them like vermin and bulldoze their tents. These NIMBY shitheads are truly some of the most sociopathic people around.
