One of the key followups of 'no ethical consumption under capitalism' is that you shouldn't spend so much time arguing about the semantics of ethical consumption, or focus so much time into what exactly you consume, or focus your time policing others on their consumption habits, because they are part of larger systems that operate regardless of our individual consumption. Organization needs to focus around labor practices, not cultural consumptive practices.
And I have only ever heard this with leftists addressing other leftists who are policing consumption culture or liberals who believe ethical consumption is the end goal of captalism, and the argument is the same either way.
So no. It's not true. The bigotry one might have some better parallels, idk.
Most consumption is unethical because of capitalism. Some is always unethical, even under an ideal FALGSC case. Saying ‘no ethical consumption under capitalism’ in those cases completely misses the point and implies that it's unethical because of capitalism.
Fair enough, but again, the usage of the phrase 'No ethical consumption under capitalism' is not actually a phrase of theory but a phrase for praxis, specifically organization. That is where it comes from, that is what it is used for.
Sure, but applying it to veganism just shows that you don't understand what veganism is about.
in the current context it can only be expressed as consumption culture
You're sure you know what veganism is about? Not lib pbc shit, actual animal liberation? Veganism isn't about eating impossible burgers at KFC, it's about doing everything possible to abolish animal exploitation. Just as you can't fight for workers while going out of your way to oppress them, you can't fight for animals and eat them if you could just as easily not. Eating plant-based is the bare minimum, not the goal.
Do you not eat while you organize labor power?
I've never thought veganism was about KFC. But, under the capitalist context, it is about altering consumption, not organizing labor power.
Will it be important in a future controlled by labor? Absolutely! Is it important to try as an individual to limit animal harm? Yes! Is it worth it to me to push that consumption culture at the expense of current labor organization? Not to me.
Of course veganism must be intersectional, but class reductionism and ignoring it isn't the answer. Have you checked out Aph Ko? Racism, colonialism and speciesism are interlinked and have to be fought together.
But humans are meant to eat meat!! Look at nature. We're just like lions, you don't get it 😭
