can't wait to get evicted cause my landlord called our ISP to see the wifi radar of our house and noticed we have more people living here than the lease says we're supposed to
I think it's more like me noticing their idea and yeah, I don't like it either
WIFI objects will be able to sense the people and things in a place... butchered explanation obviously
Plz don't, I'm innocent! :meow-floppy: I keep trying to educate and agitate about privacy over here so if you kill me you will lose all that :meow-bug:
The current WiFi standards are kind of at the limit of what they can do, speed wise. The main way IEEE has been able to improve WiFi speeds recently is by basically moving the radio beam around so that it is more focused towards the end user, instead of being non directional. This is kinda the only way they can continue to improve speeds. I think the more important question is does this really need to exist and are the privacy concerns outweighed by people constantly running out of bandwidth, and the answer to that question right now is no, this isn't needed nobody really needs that much speed on wireless and it isn't worth having the real time locations of users for a slight speed increase.
Damn, from the title I thought this was just ultra wideband positioning (i.e. your device locates itself in a building based on beacons, or your main device locates some smaller device you've misplaced). This is about mapping out literally any object in a room?
"Can be" in what sense? With custom software? This looks like they want to roll this capability into the standard, which would mean that every off-the-shelf router that adheres to that standard would have this feature. I'm pretty sure that isn't true of the routers you can buy today.
I'm not talking about an attack, I'm talking about someone like Comcast getting the ability to have a veritable radar image of your home and movements therein, which is not an ability that currently exists.
Conceivably, code to do just this could be easily implemented on a Comcast-made and owned modem/router combo since they would control all aspects of its operation and there is no customer equipment between it and the Internet. The code already exists for them to do just this, they just have to have the will to implement it.
Maybe eventually give a discount if you let them monitor you.. or the company gets paid by the government to spy on you as a separate revenue stream, you pay the service and they also get paid to conduct surveillance? Surveillance-as-a-Service?
Insurance companies would love this capability.
Well it does currently exist but they probably don't have a way to convincingly lie and say it's necessary.
i mean this is probably already possible but other than surveillance what's the point? nobody needs fucking wifi gesture input or whatever bullshit gimmick, google spent millions of dollars on a stupid fucking radar sensor for the pixel 4 and it barely works. very few people actually use home automation, and they can already buy motion sensors
It will be marketed as "your wifi turns off when you leave to save electricity!" For the first generation or two, then it will become a default feature, like smart tvs, which collect enough data to provide a revenue stream for the company.
:what-the-hell:
You love it, don't you?! Actually we already know as we have done extensive market research so please keep your answer to yourself!
Watch them not use these to have traffic lights work based on sensors and algorithms at long last. They'll do this and have that omnipotent tech in The Dark Knight and will be watching us all sit at a 4 way intersection where everyone has a red light.
I never joke! How dare you! Giving a shit about anything is exhausting
Sell your Roomba stock, all the maps of people's houses they've been selling will be worthless once real-time 3D scans are available :porky-happy:
Just fucking fade me fam, this shit is getting ridiculous. Civilization was a mistake.
so now they can use like metal gear solid style radar in their new AR headsets when your asshole neighbor swats your house.
I'm trying to figure out if this applies to all WiFi devices or just ones that are acting as an access point, guessing (hoping) the latter?
Can I put a Faraday cage in my clothing and would this even help
I don't know much about that but you better start saving money to buy one in 3 years I guess
I feel like scattering the signal at source might be helpful. But, that's just a hunch.
This being a "feature" that is openly implemented in Wifi is new, but the technical ability to do something like this has been around for several years. They are actually able to identify people through walls with it. As an aside, are they going to call it Wi-dar, Ra-Fi, or SpyFi?
https://news.mit.edu/2013/new-system-uses-low-power-wi-fi-signal-to-track-moving-humans-0628 http://people.csail.mit.edu/fadel/wivi/design.html https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133936-using-wifi-to-see-through-walls https://www.rtl-sdr.com/tracking-people-through-walls-with-wifi-passive-radar/ https://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/wireless/household-radar-can-see-through-walls-and-knows-how-youre-feeling https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/28/9625636/rf-capture-mit-wifi-tracking-surveillance-technology https://gizmodo.com/wifi-networks-can-now-identify-who-you-are-through-wall-1738998333 https://www.engadget.com/2018-06-13-mit-ai-can-detect-movement-through-walls.html https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2018/06/13/mit-ai-wireless-detect-movement-walls/
They are gonna go with SpyFi obviously! It's catchy and hip! "SpyFi your life" the ad will say :)
