Sudzukita [none/use name]

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  • Sudzukita [none/use name]toPost Puns On MainEvery single thread on Xinjiang
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    4 years ago

    Dude, if your going to call me a lib, at least tag me. You posted random posts by people on reddit and twitter where they use youtube videos and google translate to "disprove" the camps.

    As far as the camps, China officially admits to operating re-education camps, thats not even in question. You also posted an article by Blumenthal who just calls them terrorists and bashes some right-winger that cable news use as an "expert", therefore we can't trust others. You then proceeded to justify the camps because of terrorism of course. You are using official "war on terror" talking points to defend China placing minorities into camps to brainwash them through perhaps torture and other heinous techniques.

    All you seek is confirmation bias from random dipshits cosplaying as anti-imperialist leftists on social media. Gene Bunin actually speaks Mandarin, Uyghur, and Russian. And moved to China to personally interview and document Uyghur claims from the camps for the Xinjiang victims database (https://shahit.biz/eng/), but that's no beuno because there have been false testimonies in the past, therefore all others are dubious from now on.

    We literally have a government disappearing minorities off the streets because of their beliefs and protests, and your defending it. Might as well put on a MAGA hat and go full CHUD screaming incoherently about ANTIFA in Portland.


  • You have no interest in any evidence that's contrary to your beliefs. Gene Bunin is a leftist academic that moved to China, speaks Mandarin, Uyghur, and Russian, and is personally interviewing Uyhurs and documenting their claims. But feel free to just dismiss everything, because fake testimonials exist.

    China is literally grabbing people off the streets and putting them into "re-education camps" which the Chinese government openly admits to existing and is forcing people to believe only the official government text. Literally the textbook definition of fascism. It can not get any clearer than this. I don't know what else to tell you. If you don't think this is fascism, then are you cool with US police grabbing and disappearing BLM protestors?

    I don't know why I have to explain this, but if you get disappeared off the street and placed into a government re-education camp and brainwashed because they don't like the way you are practicing your religion than you can't openly your practice your region. Can't believe I have to explain that.




  • There are thousands of documented testimonials by Uyghurs attesting to some of things you mentioned. I don't know why you are harping on what the US government or NGOs are saying. Listen to the Uygurs who survived. Bad faith actors will always try to exploit situations like this to push their agenda, that doesn't negate the facts in question.

    Well, at least you're not denying the camps, just justifying them...so progress I guess.

    Really farfetched to claim people can freely practice religion when China has actively spent decades openly surprising religion, as it doesn't align with the CCP politics.

    President Xi Jinping: “We must resolutely guard against overseas infiltrations via religious means and prevent ideological infringement by extremists.”

    Fascism is the forcible suppression of opposition and regimentation of society through authoritarian means e.g. placing people into camps to re-educate them into you pretend communist actual hyper-capitalist ideology.


  • I don't have time to go through every source, but I'm familiar with the gray zone articles as people have posted them many times. The articles don't actually "debunk" anything, more so just attack some of the anti-China actors as having ulterior motives (which may be true) and the methodology of the numbers in the camp. But, there isn't anything that disapproves the concentration camps. In the end, they just resort to dismissing Uyghurs as terrorists (sounds like a similar strategy deployed right here at home).

    On the other hand, China literally has admitted to having "re-education camps": https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducation-camps-intl/index.html

    That's a huge admission, now you're smart enough to know that Uyghur's aren't just doing arts and crafts at the "re-education camps" filled with minorities who aren't free to come and go as they please.

    I recommend following Gene A. Bunin's work at Xinjiang Victims Database (https://shahit.biz/eng/#home). Gene has done an incredible job tracking what is going on in Xinjiang. He's probably the best source in English.