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to everyone mad about this: yes chomsky is an old man but anarchists periodically need to be put in their place so people dont start thinking they have rational political views— Virgil Hexas 🦇🦇🦇 (@virgiltexas) October 12, 2020

Virgil Texas has declared war on Anarchism

Edit: Lol did I start a site wide struggle session?

Edit2: keep it going. Is this the most commented normal post yet?

  • tofunaut [he/him]
    14·
    4 years ago

    The last Bad Faith was frustrating, I had to turn it off after a half hour.

    It seemed pretty obvious that Chomsky doesn't actually think voting is that important. The important part is the activism and putting pressure on society and politicians outside of electoralism. Chomsky's point was that even if voting was just a drop in a bucket of piss, you should still not add more piss to the bucket. A third party vote maybe makes you feel some moral superiority but come on it doesn't do anything to stop Trump, and its much harder to push Trump to the left than Biden to the left. That's Chomsky's point. Regardless if the hosts or chapo.chat agree, they should have just moved on instead of running in circles.

    Personally I don't care if anarchists are "bad" (I don't think they are, communism is a classes, stateless society). If someone wants to solve the climate crisis and end capitalism then they are an ally.

      • tofunaut [he/him]
        18·
        4 years ago

        oh my god I wasn't saying I was agreeing with him and Chomsky is always correct and infallible, don't be a reddit essay post debater. I'm not going to agree with your premise of what you think my position is.

        I was saying that it was obvious what his point was and the hosts were kind of annoying because there's lots to talk to Chomsky about about than try to win a debate with him in the marketplace of ideas.

        Also I was saying if someone is against capitalism (Chomsky is) then they are an ally and trying to cancel him because your favorite podcaster owned him is unproductive.

          • tofunaut [he/him]
            13·
            4 years ago

            I havent even listened to that podcast even once

            It was only cyclcial because Chomsky was making the same dumb points over and over

            hmm ok

        • zapata [he/him]
          ·
          4 years ago

          I agree. Pathetic how the Left can be so tribalistic/sectarian.

    • anonymous_ascendent [none/use name]
      3·
      4 years ago

      How are you libs still falling for the “lesser evil” and “we can push Biden left” entryist and reformist arguments? Grow up

      • fred [any]
        1·
        4 years ago

        because they still listen to people like Chomsky uncritically.

    • mrbigcheese [he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Chomsky has nothing useful to say on how to bring about actual change sorry but he's part of a comfy bourgeois intelligentsia class that couldnt really give a shit one way or the other

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
      3·
      4 years ago

      and its much harder to push Trump to the left than Biden to the left

      This is absolute bullshit. The ability to push either to the left is zero. 0 isn't greater than 0.

    • hagensfohawk [none/use name]
      3·
      4 years ago

      Yea. Chomsky has some terrible politics but he actually put forth a decent argument, which was that you aren't going to be able to vote out capitalism, that the socdem take about withholding the vote for Biden to add pressure from the left on future dem candidates misses the point because it accepts the premise that you can have "good" democrats.

      It's actually people like BJG that believe that.

      And people here are stanning Virgil's tweet about how dumb anarchists are thinking he's making a Marxist critique of anarchism when he's actually making a lib critique of anarchism and you're all falling for it.

      But yeah, on the whole, Chomsky sucks and his thinking is terrible. For some reason BJG and Virgil just have a worse take

    • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      If someone wants to solve the climate crisis and end capitalism then they are an ally.

      maybe, depends if they think any laws at all are oppression, because to save the planet people are going to have to be restricted.

    • Zhoutaku [they/them]
      11·
      4 years ago

      Ya, my biggest criticism of Anarchism is just that it's hyper individualist and I just think a worker's party would be a better way to use power to achieve something.

      • eduardog3000 [he/him]
        1·
        4 years ago

        just that it’s hyper individualist

        I don't know what type of anarchism you're looking at. Most anarchists as far as I can tell heavily emphasize communal cooperation and mutual aid.

      • ap1 [any,undecided]
        ·
        4 years ago

        most anarchists are collectivists. the emphasis is on direct consensus democratic structure rather than hierarchical party organising. individual anarchists are the minority and get nothing done.