Obviously Catholic church does way more harm than good but better than not doing this for sure

Pope Francis has made what many are calling a historic statement against laws that criminalize homosexuality.

In an interview with the Associated Press, the pope says that God loves everyone and told Catholic bishops to welcome queer people.

“Being homosexual isn’t a crime,” Francis told the news wire.

The pontiff still referred to homosexuality as “sin,” but criticized Catholic bishops and church leaders who were involved in pushing for the criminalization of homosexuality across the world.

He added that those sorts of sentiments stemmed from the leaders’ cultural backgrounds.

“These bishops have to have a process of conversion,” Francis told the AP, saying they needed to use “tenderness, please, as God has for each one of us.”

He said that these laws are “unjust” and that the Catholic Church should work to stop them.

“It must do this. It must do this,” Francis said. “We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are and for the strength that each of us fights for our dignity,” Francis added, quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

  • GaveUp [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    No, fuck this asshole

    If you're not homophobic, you're not a real Catholic or Christian

    It literally says in the Bible that if you're gay, you're a sinner and going to Hell

    You don't get to be one of the most powerful and influential people in the entire world as THE figure of Catholicism BECAUSE your ancestors has colonized the entire world and caused unthinkable amounts of suffering on billions of people and then get to pretend you're a kind inclusive person and absolve yourself of all these atrocities and dead bodies that your throne sits upon

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It literally says in the Bible that if you’re gay, you’re a sinner and going to Hell

      I'm neither a Christian or a theologian but isn't the Catholic (and broader Christian) position that everyone sins but can still go to heaven via the love of Jesus or something?

      Or are Christians actually pretending that they've never covetted their neighbors property ever? Or been lazy? Or eaten too much? Or gotten angry?

      • GaveUp [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

        https://biblia.com/bible/esv/leviticus/20/13

        • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Sup I'm about to lie with a male differently as I would with a woman :lib-status:

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Note the use of "a Man (an adult with adult responsibilities) lying(s) (a plural, only found elsewhere in connection with incestuous relationships) with a Male (non specific, often means a young man/boy in this context) as with an (Adult) Woman here." The context indicates it's against nonces, possibly incestuous nonces specifically given Chapter 18.

          Also no one obeys the Holiness code in Leviticus, it thinks wearing a cotton polyester blend is an abomination (rare leviticus W). It thinks being disabled is an abomination. It says if you have sex with someone on their period is an abomination.

          And finally it says people guilty of adultery should be put to death as well. Remind me what Jesus's stated opinion on that was?

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      Romans 1 has murdered uncountable innocents over the centuries

    • Dryad [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It literally says in the Bible that if you’re gay, you’re a sinner and going to Hell

      It literally says in the bible that everyone is a sinner and deserves to go to hell, but everybody could go to heaven if they just accept jesus

      • GaveUp [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        You caught me, I never read a single word of the Bible :oh-shit:

        • Dryad [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Another fun fact is that the only explicit condemnations of homosexuality in the Bible come from the same part which says that eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are terrible sins

        • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah I can tell. You're taking blasphemous preachers at their word instead of questioning them. Check out this post by a theology student. Additionally, abortion is never even mentioned in the Bible.

          Here are some more based passages:

          And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.” :jesus-cleanse: :meow-tableflip:

          When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “There is still one thing lacking. Sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” But when he heard this, he became sad; for he was very rich. Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God” (Luke 18:18–25).

          This is not to say that there is nothing in the Bible that is reactionary, but rather that you should know what you are talking about.

          "No investigation, no right to speak" - :mao-shining: