Obviously Catholic church does way more harm than good but better than not doing this for sure
Pope Francis has made what many are calling a historic statement against laws that criminalize homosexuality.
In an interview with the Associated Press, the pope says that God loves everyone and told Catholic bishops to welcome queer people.
“Being homosexual isn’t a crime,” Francis told the news wire.
The pontiff still referred to homosexuality as “sin,” but criticized Catholic bishops and church leaders who were involved in pushing for the criminalization of homosexuality across the world.
He added that those sorts of sentiments stemmed from the leaders’ cultural backgrounds.
“These bishops have to have a process of conversion,” Francis told the AP, saying they needed to use “tenderness, please, as God has for each one of us.”
He said that these laws are “unjust” and that the Catholic Church should work to stop them.
“It must do this. It must do this,” Francis said. “We are all children of God, and God loves us as we are and for the strength that each of us fights for our dignity,” Francis added, quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Guess I’m supposed to die alone and unloved because of some test
Gay Catholic youth :solidarity: Children of overbearing tiger parents
I'm sorry that that happened to you Comrade. I hope you're in a better place mentally now.
So are priests and stuff.
Supposed to is doing a lot of lifting here, I know.
Guess I’m supposed to die alone and unloved because of some test
Its not unique to Catholicism. I've had friends in Protestant denominations get the same speech. I've heard it anecdotally in Muslim communities as well.
Christians genuinely believe they're hitting some kind of compassionate compromise. They're reconciled themselves to your personal desires and simply squared it with their own guilty consciences. Wanting to kiss the wrong gendered person is no different than wanting to grab a fist full of cash out of the collection plate or punt the chore boy in the nuts.
But - in my experience anyway - all this ever seems to really do is create schisms within the Church. Homophobes decide that Christianity has Gone Woke and splinter off into their own little Opus Dei fascist cults. Progressives in the church, particularly those with a sizable or influential LGBT congregation, just kinda close their ears and pretend to be a more permissive denomination while church leadership is talking.
The folks getting served the message have it worst of all. Do they just... keep having loving relationships with their peers that they kinda feel guilty about? Do they consign themselves to celibacy or a loveless "straight" marriage, while having sinful jaunts that they periodically cleanse themselves of during confession? Do they just give up on the belief system they've spent decades incorporating into their lives and become cynics?
The whole thing is so fucked up.
"He still refers to homosexuality as a “sin” though."
Catholic don't be homophobic challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
He further went on ti specify that since being gay is not a crime you must perform the second step of doing crimes
Right, but he's pleading to the clergy not to torment gay people on this mortal plane (leave that to God/Satan in the afterlife). While that may not seem like much, it's a pretty huge deal for the mouthpiece of Catholicism to explicitly say it.
If you don't believe in God or Satan then he's just saying not to persecute gay people. I don't really care if he thinks I'm going to hell, that's his problem.
No, fuck this asshole
If you're not homophobic, you're not a real Catholic or Christian
It literally says in the Bible that if you're gay, you're a sinner and going to Hell
You don't get to be one of the most powerful and influential people in the entire world as THE figure of Catholicism BECAUSE your ancestors has colonized the entire world and caused unthinkable amounts of suffering on billions of people and then get to pretend you're a kind inclusive person and absolve yourself of all these atrocities and dead bodies that your throne sits upon
It literally says in the Bible that if you’re gay, you’re a sinner and going to Hell
I'm neither a Christian or a theologian but isn't the Catholic (and broader Christian) position that everyone sins but can still go to heaven via the love of Jesus or something?
Or are Christians actually pretending that they've never covetted their neighbors property ever? Or been lazy? Or eaten too much? Or gotten angry?
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
https://biblia.com/bible/esv/leviticus/20/13
Sup I'm about to lie with a male differently as I would with a woman :lib-status:
Note the use of "a Man (an adult with adult responsibilities) lying(s) (a plural, only found elsewhere in connection with incestuous relationships) with a Male (non specific, often means a young man/boy in this context) as with an (Adult) Woman here." The context indicates it's against nonces, possibly incestuous nonces specifically given Chapter 18.
Also no one obeys the Holiness code in Leviticus, it thinks wearing a cotton polyester blend is an abomination (rare leviticus W). It thinks being disabled is an abomination. It says if you have sex with someone on their period is an abomination.
And finally it says people guilty of adultery should be put to death as well. Remind me what Jesus's stated opinion on that was?
It literally says in the Bible that if you’re gay, you’re a sinner and going to Hell
It literally says in the bible that everyone is a sinner and deserves to go to hell, but everybody could go to heaven if they just accept jesus
Another fun fact is that the only explicit condemnations of homosexuality in the Bible come from the same part which says that eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are terrible sins
Yeah I can tell. You're taking blasphemous preachers at their word instead of questioning them. Check out this post by a theology student. Additionally, abortion is never even mentioned in the Bible.
Here are some more based passages:
And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you make it a den of robbers.” :jesus-cleanse: :meow-tableflip:
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “There is still one thing lacking. Sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” But when he heard this, he became sad; for he was very rich. Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God” (Luke 18:18–25).
This is not to say that there is nothing in the Bible that is reactionary, but rather that you should know what you are talking about.
"No investigation, no right to speak" - :mao-shining:
An example of "class conciliation". The Pope says this, whilst the Church keeps its power over the Globe in different levels. If he was openly homophobic, probably some secular States would openly attack/sue/reckon this institution, which would open wide the class antagonism and maybe allow a bigger societal pushback against religious control. At the same time, I kinda fear that this Pope might "spring back" into another Pius XI or XII (don't forget that Pilsudski facilitated that).
Obviously he’s still evil but Francis has genuinely made the Catholic Church a little bit less awful
Wonder how much of this is his own personal beliefs as opposed to trying to get new converts by getting rid of doctrine that no longer plays well with the general populace.
Formally, being gay isn't the sin, Adultery is the sin. There's just no way to have a non-adulterous relationship because Catholic doctrine has been prevented from modernising for 100 years because some Chud pope was butthurt about losing the Papal States and dragged the whole church into the most reactionary stances possible.
A bare minimum from someone who is as I've said before is a Right-Jesuit, so straight down the centre politically in terms of Catholic doctrine despite what the trads say.
I'd note the bible doesn't say a damned thing about trans people except to often laud people who defy gender roles, and the parts about "gay" people are focused on Greek nonces, for the most part. The Catholic Church's current stance on marriage is also on historically shaky ground, even within Church tradition, so they can't even get out of it with "Being gay is just adultery, but you also can't marry" dodge.
