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I view nazi germany and china quite a bit different from real capitalist societies. Simply having a stock market doesn’t mean the markets are free to function as they please.
I also tend to disagree with canada and usa being genocidial at this point in time. For sure they did horrific things, but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional, as the US country’s government is not actively killing a part of their own population.
What rubs me the wrong way in these conversations is mentioning capitalism as a system that commits the genocide. Both germany and china are/were state driven, and as such the markets didn’t really have anything to do with the actions. Instead the genocide is driven by the government that is/was authoritarian, and as such the markets aren’t driving the killing.
Declining birthrate can mean something -- in Zenz's case he specifically claims forced sterilization (bullshit, obviously) -- but the birthrate merely declining is assigned as the corresponding number of "deaths" in pop-historiography of communist famines without any attempt to justify the causal mechanism. It is 100% statistical sleight-of-hand that makes Zenz look like a master sophist by contrast.
Sure yea Canada is not genocidal within what...the last 15 seconds? Since the residential school system closed less than 30 years ago, starlight tours are not "officially" a thing anymore, and no indigenous women have been sterilised, murdered, or gone missing in the last 15 seconds
Nah, this ain't it. They had machine guns and tanks, air support, and outnumbered the defender. Brave would have been saying fuck this and going to jail. You're not getting any awards for valor for standing around in the woods for two months pointing guns at kids and old people defended by a few hundred warriors.
you missunderstand me I don't care how brave they are as I don't consider bravery to be worthy of respect. I don't care if they were brave in the same way I don't care if they were allergic to shrimp
Come tell us how you slew
Them old Arabs two by two
Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows
How bravely you faced one
With your sixteen pounder gun
And you frightened them damn natives to their marrow
I mean sure, but I wouldn't call soldiers going in with armour and armed with assault rifles brave when they're facing literal children and indigenous land defenders.
As much as I wanna give the land defenders credit and this photo is badass, I think there's a clear power imbalance that eliminates bravery. Like we wouldn't call the American soldiers at My Lai brave for attacking civilians
Yeah this is such a tell. Like what, it's worse when the people who you pay taxes too murder you? It's less bad that Hitler was murdering Slavs because they weren't tax payers? It's one of those things I can't make sense of being anything except banal Nazi apologia.
To libs it always is, of course, but they are also ignoring all the people in the US's "own population" killed by poverty, for profit healthcare, price gouging at grocery stores and rent, etc.
Oh my god how do repel bloody minded ignorance and ideology of this magnitude?
This is like someone showing up in an astronomy forum talking about crystal spheres or something, but when it comes to geopolitics and history they get away with it.
Brains made of spun sugar.
By refusing to properly quarantine, the U.S. suffered 2 million excess deaths.
Excess deaths are usually the way these 'massacres' and 'famines' are counted.
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No, because then they would also count any decline in the birthrate as also being part of it.
Then again, calling it a genocide isn't the worst thing when you consider who died the most under US covid policy
I mean, they generally do. The decline in birthrate is the entire reason Zenz calls 'genocide' in Xinjiang.
Declining birthrate can mean something -- in Zenz's case he specifically claims forced sterilization (bullshit, obviously) -- but the birthrate merely declining is assigned as the corresponding number of "deaths" in pop-historiography of communist famines without any attempt to justify the causal mechanism. It is 100% statistical sleight-of-hand that makes Zenz look like a master sophist by contrast.
Exactly. By their logic, the US response to COVID was a genocide. I'm calling it the Boomerdomor.
Sure yea Canada is not genocidal within what...the last 15 seconds? Since the residential school system closed less than 30 years ago, starlight tours are not "officially" a thing anymore, and no indigenous women have been sterilised, murdered, or gone missing in the last 15 seconds
Remember that time about twenty-twenty five years ago when KKKlanada deployed actual literal tanks to crush a Mohawk uprising?
And how people still talk about how "brave" those soldiers were who went in to force people off their ancestral land in order to build a golf course
Do they really? Jesus christ. :kkkanada:
Atilla the Hun was brave even if someone is brave that doesn't make them not a piece of shit
Nah, this ain't it. They had machine guns and tanks, air support, and outnumbered the defender. Brave would have been saying fuck this and going to jail. You're not getting any awards for valor for standing around in the woods for two months pointing guns at kids and old people defended by a few hundred warriors.
you missunderstand me I don't care how brave they are as I don't consider bravery to be worthy of respect. I don't care if they were brave in the same way I don't care if they were allergic to shrimp
Gotcha. thank you for the clarification.
Come tell us how you slew
Them old Arabs two by two
Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows
How bravely you faced one
With your sixteen pounder gun
And you frightened them damn natives to their marrow
I mean sure, but I wouldn't call soldiers going in with armour and armed with assault rifles brave when they're facing literal children and indigenous land defenders.
As much as I wanna give the land defenders credit and this photo is badass, I think there's a clear power imbalance that eliminates bravery. Like we wouldn't call the American soldiers at My Lai brave for attacking civilians
Turns out the libs were the real tankies all along
KKKanada is encouraging the poor to get euthanized.
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Yeah this is such a tell. Like what, it's worse when the people who you pay taxes too murder you? It's less bad that Hitler was murdering Slavs because they weren't tax payers? It's one of those things I can't make sense of being anything except banal Nazi apologia.
To libs it always is, of course, but they are also ignoring all the people in the US's "own population" killed by poverty, for profit healthcare, price gouging at grocery stores and rent, etc.
it's actually still wrong to kill people who aren't citizens
florida is genociding trans people
Oh my god how do repel bloody minded ignorance and ideology of this magnitude?
This is like someone showing up in an astronomy forum talking about crystal spheres or something, but when it comes to geopolitics and history they get away with it.
"They did a genocide because they're authoritarian, no further motives" is the most liberal-brained thing I've ever seen.