"Some of you may be willing to die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" but unironically
Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285
"Some of you may be willing to die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" but unironically
Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285
define genocide
The intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Russia is doing that to Ukraine.
We have evidence of Ukraine banning the use of the Russian language, import of Russian books, Russian music, the banning of "pro-Russian" political parties. So we know Ukraine is engaging in what could be called cultural genocide. I'd love to see your evidence of actual genocide happening, though. I'm sure it's real!
This is in no way equivalent hahaha. What kinda swill do they hand out in the IRA breakrooms these days?
Russia is invading the heartland of another distinct ethnicity and purging it. Ukraine is not doing that. It is simply clamping down on political liberties to ensure a stable war economy and political situation. This happens in every country that is forced to fight for it's own existence.
Please show evidence of this.
Kidnapping Ukranian children and forcibly adopting them into Russian families is genocide. It is an explicit attempt to erase Ukranian culture.
Rescuing children from a warzone is genocide? Are you serious, you do realize the majority of those children are native Russian speakers and are reunited with their families when they're located, like you do know those basic facts right, and aren't just talking out your ass?
Those children should have been led to Ukraine to reunite with their Ukranian relatives since they are citizens of Ukraine. And if you are not talking out of your ass, would you kindly provide proof that they're "reunited with their families when they're located" and not just assigned to whichever family is keen to get govt money for raising kids?
MF the Ukrainian state doesn't give a shit about Russian-speaking children or their relatives, hence the fact millions of Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens fled to Russia, their relatives are in Russia and if they're not then it's the responsibility of the Kiev regime to negotiate in good faith with the Russian authorities to reunite the families, but again the nazis in Kiev don't give a fuck about the children beyond their use as propaganda tools
You literally don't know basic facts about Ukraine or the conflict, instead of basing your takes on your bullshit intuition maybe go do some basic research
those kids were returned when Ukraine asked for them back
Why do you assume children from ethnically russian regions, who statistially are more likely to speak russian would be better off being sent to Ukraine than Russia?
I'm sorry, what does that have to do with "purging" as it relates to genocide? Surely you understand that relocating orphans - not "purging" them - and then repatriating them when their Ukrainian family can be found does not constitute genocide, right? This is basic, "what do words mean" level shit, so if you're having trouble here then you might need to take a few steps back on making declarative statements about geopolitics.
lmao the Ukrainian state was committing those actions before the invasion you dumb fuck, hence the civil war between the years 2014 and 2022, also trying to erase the identity of half your population is not an example of a wartime measure, it's ethnic cleansing and the Ukrainians are pretty open about it
Hence why the separatist Russian-speaking regions (especially Crimea) should win the war and prevent the expansion of state backed neo-nazism
Perhaps the Ukrainians should concentrate the population that shows Russian sympathy into small campsYou know, to keep a better eye on them and to ensure the security of the Ukrainian identity against the perfidy of the Russian abhumansFunny that one of the Baltic states proposed exactly this.
lemme guess
SStonia?
Do you think Russia is running death camps? Where are these purges supposedly taking place?
Why do white people try to create ethnic differences where none exist? Russians and Ukranians are visually / genetically / culturally pretty much identical. It's like saying North Korea invaded South Korea to purge it of Koreans!
"not submitting to the ideological propaganda pushed by your oppressor is literally genocide"
So if chinese language is taught in your country and chinese publications are sold, this means your nation and culture has submitted to China?
Or English for that matter. The schools in Ukraine teach English and you can buy English books there
Well that depends, is China invading my country?
okay so genocide is a maybe for you
why is it that every time a .dev shows up they immediately start going full nazi
hackernews brain
Lmao no it doesn't. Do you think the us was right to put Japanese citizens in internment camps?
God no. I think there's some misinterpretation here. I was saying that blocking the media of an invading country does not equate to genocide. That's it.
That's interesting that you think one of us did the misinterpretation, because that's not what happened - they did not block the import of media produced in Russia. They blocked all Russian language media. There's an important distinction there that I'm certain you will pretend to not understand.
I'm fine admitting the misinterpretation was mine. In that case I think it's a bit too far, also considering the large number of Russian speakers within Ukraine
It's not just a bit too far - it fits most definitions for cultural genocide, particularly when you include that Ukraine banned teaching in Russian, all Russian books in schools, etc. Imagine being a Russian speaking Ukrainian child: all of a sudden all of the books you can read are gone, your teachers must speak Ukrainian.
So we have Ukraine committing cultural genocide, and still zero evidence that Russia is committing any kind of genocide.
They also tried to ban Yiddish and Belarusian along with Russian in 2019: https://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-AD(2019)032-e
Thanks for the document. I'm a bit confused because I can't find where the Commission's opinion agrees with your statement. Can you help me find it?
Apologies, I’m not great at linking stuff and I’m better at scrolling than posting on mobile.
I’d recommend reading section 3, starting on page ten. I also want to say that this doesn’t to me justify the invasion, but that I can see why Russian speakers/people in both Ukraine and Russia felt threatened
Do you think that it's "too far" or aimed at doing something you are not inclined to admit? It's not like Russia doesn't have people who know Ukrainian and English to publish things in those languages to reach Ukraine for propaganda purposes, but totally unrelated media that just happens to be in Russian (and thereby part of the survival of Russophone culture) is being banned. The goal is not simply fighting Russia, but genuine ethnonationalism.
This is part of the larger conversation of persecution of russians, that you were denying was occurring. A user links you to examples, which you then answer with "not submitting to another country is genocide now?". Thereby implying that because russian is spoken in Ukraine and you can purchase russian-language media, Ukraine was subjugated to Russia, and this thing where speaking russian - which parts of the Ukrainian population had always done - is being eradicated and russian-language media being removed, is somehow NOT oppression, but instead Ukraine bravely standing up to its invaders. A user then highlights the flaw in your logic - Which is that because Russia is invading, it's not actually persecution to suppress your native russian speakers.
Thereby claiming that pursuing and eradicating another culture is a-ok if a nation with a majority of that culture is invading you. Following that logic, it was all right to intern the Japanese.
It doesn't depend, and I hope you know that.
proof?
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By this metric all war is genocide
So the western liberal believes that orphans should be left in a war zone?
Ukraine uses child soldiers and brag about it so it's a wholesome thing now I guess.
Are you saying that there are only two options? You either leave them to die or indoctrinate them into Russian families? No in-between?
You know the Russians are contacting family members and reuniting children with families, right? https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-children-returned-illegal-deportations-russia/32355290.html They try to frame it in a vicious manner because the liberal brain is soft and easy to manipulate, but the facts are those children were in Russia and given back to their families.
You're just making up unhinged fantasies.
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you havent sourced all ur claims, you hide unsourced claims in between claims backed with the flimsiest sources. wikipedia warrior, go back to
Are the russians in the room with you right now?
Russiagate absolutely flattened the liberal brain. Truly as smooth as glass.
source?
Well it's not like Ukraine is providing an alternative
Here, you attempt to flame Ukraine for shutting down humanitarian corridors because Russians attack them, and your source also states that Russians attack them? Do you even read your sources?
And this doesn't even mention that, when Russia opened their own humanitarian corridors, they conveniently only led to Russian or allied Belarusian territory (instead of back to Ukraine, where a lot of these fleeing Ukranians wanted to go).
My source states that Ukraine claims Russia might attack them. Do you think they might have an agenda with statements such as those?
How would the corridor be able to lead back to Ukraine, if Ukraine shuts down such corridors? Of course it is not surprising, when Ukraine makes use of civilian human shields
So they set up in this "strategic" care home and refused to assist an evacuation? That's a nightmare
I don't like the russians all that much, but ukraine is literally just throwing people away to regain territory trying to free itself from them
fucking nazis
Hmmm
So the article claims, but it fails to refer to an incident. Russian fire has hit humanitarian corridors, as have Ukrainian. It is however only Ukraine that has shut down corridors and it is only Ukraine that has a track record of using civilians as a human shield
Well that was a horrifying read.
what would you do, oh paragon of morality? give them to ur heroic western human traffickers?
Are you claiming the Ukrainians are doing human trafficking here, or something else? Either way, if you have a good source I'd love to read it!
no. im claiming that opportunistic westerners are coming into Ukraine to kidnap women and children. here’s a UN report. an article and one woman’s story
Thank you for these sources!
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this is the only part of ur comment that could feasibly be considered genocide and you didnt provide a source. and wikipedia isnt a reliable source
and Ukraine has been bombing civilian centers for the past decade. and that is well documented. maybe Ukraine is the real genocidal power
No just no. I lot of Ukrainians live in Russia or fled to russia. Russia would've started with them first if they wanted to do something that.
It's a imperialist war at best started to secure a very strategically important location.