anyone i’ve ever met claiming to be a centrist was in reality uninformed politically and using the label as a shield for their similarly uninformed takes.
You do see how many of us are being treated though right? Some of us are going in hot, but most are interacting reasonably, then getting slammed with bad faith complaints and accusations,
Its incredibly frustrating, I'm sure you can relate
Let's tally up the replies to me from Hexbear users.
One insult.
One taunt.
One helpful reply with a little pushback (which might be deserved).
One reply expressing frustration with how Hexbear users are treated collectively.
One troll.
So a minority of Hexbear users interacted reasonably, while the majority of Hexbear users did not.
I know you personally can't do much about your instance's users making a majority of posts in bad faith, but Hexbear as an instance has a bad reputation across the Fediverse right now because of their behavior.
The more I look the more I see a severe clash of values between Hexbear and SIJW (and most Lemmy instances). Most Hexbears act like spewing insults, trolling, and supporting murderous dictators are blows for righteousness. On the other side, those Hexbears come off as juvenile delinquents wearing Red Guard armbands as they spray graffiti, break windows, and take offense at being told off.
Until Hexbear culture quits sanctifying insults and trolling, a lot of doors are going to be slammed in your faces.
I'll quote myself covering the important parts, skip the metaphor, and try to explain in simple English.
Most Hexbears act like spewing insults, trolling, and supporting murderous dictators are blows for righteousness.
Until Hexbear culture quits sanctifying insults and trolling, a lot of doors are going to be slammed in your faces.
We hate you because of how you talk. The "call-outs" which are just an excuse to call people names. The posing. The rude pictures. The trolling. The brigading. Reply to any of it and get another avalanche of name-calling and trolling.
A lot of us also hate what you say. But many of us could tolerate what you say if you said it nicely. What's the point of tolerance if you don't tolerate a few things you hate?
You are a type of troll that is very hard to talk into not trolling. And nobody will put up with your trolling for long if they can ban you. So, expect a lot of bans because you are trolls.
If you argued for Marxism but didn't troll and call people names, you would be banned less.
Drats! The one true leftist has figured out our ruse! For three whole years we’ve been meticulously crafting a safe space for queer and marginalized people to speak freely without condescension and infantilization from privileged folks, all as a bit, to eventually confuse users of a FOSS Reddit alternative. You got us. Pat yourself on the back. I can’t believe you figured it out.
Yeah, 4chan, known for being vehemently opposed to racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, and all other forms of bigotry. You can tell we're all 4chan users because of how we're literally the opposite of 4chan users in basically every way.
Right, just like how the Nazis were really socialists because they had "socialist" in the name.
Your actions speak much louder than your words, and from what I've seen, you all love to spout facist and authoritarian ideals. Funny how you all bust out the concern trolling about minority groups and bigotry when called out on your actions, yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
we have been on this site for three years before federation with the same strict anti-bigotry culture since the beginning. I wish you guys could realize how fucking wild conspiracies like this sound like to us. Like we were only pretending to be gay marxists to ourselves for three years lmao
We're 4chan trolls who have been running a running joke where we refuse to tolerate racism, misogyny, transphobia. We did it all in isolation for 3 years, so we could show up here, requiring lots of actual development work to re-merge and federate, as a bit.
This is what liberals need to believe to continue daily life free of mental interruptions.
And it would be so much easier to not give a shit about any of that. You really don't get anything for standing up for the powerless (aside from the fact that our trans posters are among the most powerful ever known).
yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
Because we definitely don't have multiple different queer communities with >3 years of posts in them and a weekly queer specific megathread every week for 3 years and we definitely didn't recently onboard r/traaa too and we definitely don't have a modteam that is over 50% trans and enby,
Right, just like how the Nazis were really socialists because they had "socialist" in the name.
The whole thing about that was that the Nazis didn't do anything socialist, and in fact the term privatization was invested to describe their economic policies. Hexbear acts against LGBT hate, racism, ableism, etc., so this analogy is a non-starter.
It's literally the only place on the internet that I, as a Trans woman, feel completely safe. The ONLY people who I know 100% will go to bat for me even when it is inconvenient.
we are about as far from 4chan as you can get, we're just rude to losers like you who equate queer liberationist leftists with incel pedophile racists on 4chan
Go fuck yourself!
(P.S. This is why we're rude sometimes, absolutely go and fuck yourself)
How are we like 4chan users? We filter slurs and ban users who try to engage in hate speech. We offer content/NSFW warnings. We don't doxx or send death threats and ban those who try.
I want to know why you looked at Hexbear and saw 4chan.
I don't say people trying to associate Hexbear and 4chan are fed posters, but I say that if I were a I would certainly try to make that association popular.
Oh, full stop. I was just hoping I could get an answer about what they dislike about 4chan to use it as an insult against us. Because right now, it just seems like the tone. Not any of the other fucked up things on that image board.
I've never used that website, I'd imagine most hexbear users haven't. We're actually reddit refugees from 3 years ago, thank you very much 😤.
Not like that's much better lol.
There's no cosplay here, I can promise you that. I'm bi and communist, don't know about other users. I know we have a sizeable amount of trans users as well. Pretty sure none of us are cosplaying as left of LGBT.
I never used Reddit, I never listened to the podcast. I came here from a discord server lol. I’m basically without original sin here. I’m the perfect leftist.
You got us, all of our theory reading groups, real life mutual aid, and threads about loving our trans comrades have all been part of an elaborate 3-year long running gag to trick you, the main character.
I'm saying that all of your theory reading groups, real life mutual aid, and threads about loving your trans comrades are entirely insignificant in precipitating a communist society. Your behavior on Lemmy is actively pushing people away from communism as an ideology, and thus I question whether your users are truly committed to aiding the proletariat in their struggle.
"Noo you can't just be mean to bigots, you're pushing people away from communism, noo why are you standing up for maligned and beseiged socialist countries, Marx would be ashamed of youu "
Sure. The people who you are childishly attacking comprise the audience that you have been provided to spread your leftist ideals and accomplish your purported communist objectives. But instead of evangelizing, you choose to resort to mockery and snickering inside jokes, thereby ensuring that your isolated community never gains enough relevance to effect real change. It's amazing to me that I have to spell this out for you, you should be abundantly aware after being defederated by the vast majority of other servers.
Your entire shtick is a self-congratulary circlejerk just for being on team "We Hate America". That's not communism, it's teenage angst.
What? No one on Hexbear is on it because we think we're going to "effect real change" on here lol
Maybe you forget how isolated lemmy is in general. Even if we wanted to do that it's not even possible. This is just our comfortable space in an ocean of online liberalism. We're happy to discuss politics with people in good faith and it's great if we can help educate people but pretty much everything important happens in real life, offline. So don't act surprised when you're met with mockery because you've accused us of betraying communism for not letting the bigots, transphobes, reactionaries, and libs talk down to us and insult us on the Internet in some naive attempt to "convert" them.
Also, we get along fine with most of the fediverse! I'm glad we're still connected to lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, sdf, etc even though there can be a few bad actors. I'm not sure federating with your instance was a good idea though...
Fair enough. I think you're delusional if you believe that your users are accomplishing anything important in real life, due to their terminally online status and lack of social graces, but sure.
It's amazing to me that you don't recognize that the internet has become the most powerful tool for social control in human history, and any attempt to counter the prevailing narrative will inevitably have to incorporate a digital component in order to succeed. But sure, Lemmy is just where you take out your frustrations on the libs after a hard day's work ineffectively unionizing and canvassing for irrelevant leftist politicians. Good luck with that, you're really making a difference 👏
Sure, the revolution will have a "digital component" but I don't really see the point in being conciliatory to smug closed-minded assholes on one of the most niche social media platforms on the internet. It's obvious you don't know anything about Marxism or about how social change is made so you can keep your advice to yourself. We try to keep details about our efforts in the real world vague because we don't want to be doxxed.
Good luck with that, you're really making a difference 👏
Yes, I'm sure letting people call us slurs, red fascists, pretending-to-be-LGBT-people, and Chinese/Russian bots on lemmy (the most important social platform, the social platform of the revolution) without any pushback will exert enough social control on them to make them do communism. Our posts will make Marx proud!
Comments like this have really shown me that liberals don't actually care about beliefs at all (hexbear having diametrically opposed beliefs to 4chan). They only care about tone.
Why yes, groups of people who act like a bunch of dogpiling 4chan trolls typically don't have their beliefs respected or acknowledged. Tone is important. Glad we could help you come to that realization.
Understood. And I know there are groups on pretty much every instance that ruin things for everyone else. I don't want to judge any full instance from the actions of a minority.
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You're not liberals, liberals are centerists, you guys are far, far to the left. Which is fine, but let's not confuse political terms.
we're centrists. we hold the political center between anarchism and Marxism-Leninism.
anyone i’ve ever met claiming to be a centrist was in reality uninformed politically and using the label as a shield for their similarly uninformed takes.
That's the joke. There is no center in the west. As the general political spectrum is inherently right.
Is that an inside joke? Because outside of Hexbear and maybe 1930s Catalonia, "between anarchism and Leninism" is extreme left.
Answering genuinely, yeah it is lol
That being said, what is considered the "political center" varies a lot from place to place, a lot more than just 1930s Catalonia.
Thank you for being genuinely helpful, unlike your comrades who insulted and posed.
You do see how many of us are being treated though right? Some of us are going in hot, but most are interacting reasonably, then getting slammed with bad faith complaints and accusations,
Its incredibly frustrating, I'm sure you can relate
Let's tally up the replies to me from Hexbear users.
So a minority of Hexbear users interacted reasonably, while the majority of Hexbear users did not.
I know you personally can't do much about your instance's users making a majority of posts in bad faith, but Hexbear as an instance has a bad reputation across the Fediverse right now because of their behavior.
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Mate, you've been plenty insulting and toxic, you get what you give.
The more I look the more I see a severe clash of values between Hexbear and SIJW (and most Lemmy instances). Most Hexbears act like spewing insults, trolling, and supporting murderous dictators are blows for righteousness. On the other side, those Hexbears come off as juvenile delinquents wearing Red Guard armbands as they spray graffiti, break windows, and take offense at being told off.
Until Hexbear culture quits sanctifying insults and trolling, a lot of doors are going to be slammed in your faces.
Half of what you said is you disagreeing with our politics
Im sure the people you think are 'the good guys' politically are evil murderous
dictators'democratically elected representative of the people'The systems you support, tacitly or directly are violent by nature, yet you think dissent against it is acting in bad faith
Its absurd, and it's embarrassing
Not sure if you missed my point or you're just trolling.
What is your point?
I'll quote myself covering the important parts, skip the metaphor, and try to explain in simple English.
We hate you because of how you talk. The "call-outs" which are just an excuse to call people names. The posing. The rude pictures. The trolling. The brigading. Reply to any of it and get another avalanche of name-calling and trolling.
A lot of us also hate what you say. But many of us could tolerate what you say if you said it nicely. What's the point of tolerance if you don't tolerate a few things you hate?
You are a type of troll that is very hard to talk into not trolling. And nobody will put up with your trolling for long if they can ban you. So, expect a lot of bans because you are trolls.
If you argued for Marxism but didn't troll and call people names, you would be banned less.
who insulted?
We’ve moved the Overton Window. Sorry I don’t make the rules.
According to fascists, sure. Just because fascists call us extreme left doesn't mean we aren't actually centrists.
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No actually, we're a Hillary Clinton fansite, you may not be but I'm #StillWithHer
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It's a bit within Hexbear. Something about the old subreddit and "I'm the only true leftist here" discourse.
They were very obviously being facetious....
It's technically a leftist website, but only due to me: The One True Leftist. The rest of them are libs
I had to upvote I'm crying yall are funny
I don’t give a shit about your politics. You’re all toxic assholes that just make the internet annoying.
you're being kind of a toxic asshole rn ngl
Wow what's up with this immediate hostility? The other user was being completely civil.
No need to jump in a conversation fists swinging.
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PRODUCTIVITY CHECK: Are you typing this from a public workplace, classroom, dinner table, library, queue, etc? If so, GET YOUR ASS BACK IN GEAR!
If you're not posting at work, what are you even doing?
The internet should be annoying for you specifically
Tough to have decades of indoctrination questioned, isn't it?
You're a bunch of 4Chan users cosplaying as leftists and some people don't like that.
Drats! The one true leftist has figured out our ruse! For three whole years we’ve been meticulously crafting a safe space for queer and marginalized people to speak freely without condescension and infantilization from privileged folks, all as a bit, to eventually confuse users of a FOSS Reddit alternative. You got us. Pat yourself on the back. I can’t believe you figured it out.
Wait, it was all a ruse? I have already brought the whole collection of true leftist theory (Harry Potter complete collection) all for nothing?
Yeah, 4chan, known for being vehemently opposed to racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, and all other forms of bigotry. You can tell we're all 4chan users because of how we're literally the opposite of 4chan users in basically every way.
Right, just like how the Nazis were really socialists because they had "socialist" in the name.
Your actions speak much louder than your words, and from what I've seen, you all love to spout facist and authoritarian ideals. Funny how you all bust out the concern trolling about minority groups and bigotry when called out on your actions, yet never defend these ideals in organic conversations where the topics actually come up.
did you not see the thread on active most of yesterday where we were en masse screaming at liberals for their conditional support for trans people
out of all things to say about us that is certainly one of them, given that we've mass purged our own userbase multiple times over these issues
we have been on this site for three years before federation with the same strict anti-bigotry culture since the beginning. I wish you guys could realize how fucking wild conspiracies like this sound like to us. Like we were only pretending to be gay marxists to ourselves for three years lmao
We're 4chan trolls who have been running a running joke where we refuse to tolerate racism, misogyny, transphobia. We did it all in isolation for 3 years, so we could show up here, requiring lots of actual development work to re-merge and federate, as a bit.
This is what liberals need to believe to continue daily life free of mental interruptions.
And it would be so much easier to not give a shit about any of that. You really don't get anything for standing up for the powerless (aside from the fact that our trans posters are among the most powerful ever known).
We literally bring it up ourselves for no particular reason
Because we definitely don't have multiple different queer communities with >3 years of posts in them and a weekly queer specific megathread every week for 3 years and we definitely didn't recently onboard r/traaa too and we definitely don't have a modteam that is over 50% trans and enby,
We also definitely don't have a site wide culture of mocking and bullying transphobes internally and we definitely didn't have a trans admin bully all the power posters into reading Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink and Blue 3 years ago in the site's early days
The whole thing about that was that the Nazis didn't do anything socialist, and in fact the term privatization was invested to describe their economic policies. Hexbear acts against LGBT hate, racism, ableism, etc., so this analogy is a non-starter.
Fascism is only a vibe, and the vibe is "something CmdrShepard disagrees with"
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It's literally the only place on the internet that I, as a Trans woman, feel completely safe. The ONLY people who I know 100% will go to bat for me even when it is inconvenient.
You're a fucking moron.
we are about as far from 4chan as you can get, we're just rude to losers like you who equate queer liberationist leftists with incel pedophile racists on 4chan
Go fuck yourself!
(P.S. This is why we're rude sometimes, absolutely go and fuck yourself)
Ahh the one true leftist is here! Gatekeeping.
How are we like 4chan users? We filter slurs and ban users who try to engage in hate speech. We offer content/NSFW warnings. We don't doxx or send death threats and ban those who try.
I want to know why you looked at Hexbear and saw 4chan.
I don't say people trying to associate Hexbear and 4chan are fed posters, but I say that if I were a
I would certainly try to make that association popular.
Oh, full stop. I was just hoping I could get an answer about what they dislike about 4chan to use it as an insult against us. Because right now, it just seems like the tone. Not any of the other fucked up things on that image board.
?
I've never used that website, I'd imagine most hexbear users haven't. We're actually reddit refugees from 3 years ago, thank you very much 😤.
Not like that's much better lol.
There's no cosplay here, I can promise you that. I'm bi and communist, don't know about other users. I know we have a sizeable amount of trans users as well. Pretty sure none of us are cosplaying as left of LGBT.
I never used Reddit, I never listened to the podcast. I came here from a discord server lol. I’m basically without original sin here. I’m the perfect leftist.
We're to the left of you. Cope. Seethe. Communism or barbarism, and it's pretty clear what you're into
You got us, all of our theory reading groups, real life mutual aid, and threads about loving our trans comrades have all been part of an elaborate 3-year long running gag to trick you, the main character.
And yet you would betray all of that work to ineffectively dunk on libs. Which motivation is truly the priority?
You say that like lib dunking is an exclusively right wing activity, which is an adorably sheltered thing to think
I'm saying that all of your theory reading groups, real life mutual aid, and threads about loving your trans comrades are entirely insignificant in precipitating a communist society. Your behavior on Lemmy is actively pushing people away from communism as an ideology, and thus I question whether your users are truly committed to aiding the proletariat in their struggle.
Marx would be ashamed of you people.
"Noo you can't just be mean to bigots, you're pushing people away from communism, noo why are you standing up for maligned and beseiged socialist countries, Marx would be ashamed of youu
"
Case in point. Teen angst masquerading as communism
You'd need to establish an antagonistic relationship between the two before this remotely works as an own.
Sure. The people who you are childishly attacking comprise the audience that you have been provided to spread your leftist ideals and accomplish your purported communist objectives. But instead of evangelizing, you choose to resort to mockery and snickering inside jokes, thereby ensuring that your isolated community never gains enough relevance to effect real change. It's amazing to me that I have to spell this out for you, you should be abundantly aware after being defederated by the vast majority of other servers.
Your entire shtick is a self-congratulary circlejerk just for being on team "We Hate America". That's not communism, it's teenage angst.
It's so cute when libs project their purile lack of knowledge onto the people consistently tearing their imperial worldview apart
Puerile*
That's the one
What? No one on Hexbear is on it because we think we're going to "effect real change" on here lol
Maybe you forget how isolated lemmy is in general. Even if we wanted to do that it's not even possible. This is just our comfortable space in an ocean of online liberalism. We're happy to discuss politics with people in good faith and it's great if we can help educate people but pretty much everything important happens in real life, offline. So don't act surprised when you're met with mockery because you've accused us of betraying communism for not letting the bigots, transphobes, reactionaries, and libs talk down to us and insult us on the Internet in some naive attempt to "convert" them.
Also, we get along fine with most of the fediverse! I'm glad we're still connected to lemmy.ml, lemm.ee, sdf, etc even though there can be a few bad actors. I'm not sure federating with your instance was a good idea though...
Fair enough. I think you're delusional if you believe that your users are accomplishing anything important in real life, due to their terminally online status and lack of social graces, but sure.
It's amazing to me that you don't recognize that the internet has become the most powerful tool for social control in human history, and any attempt to counter the prevailing narrative will inevitably have to incorporate a digital component in order to succeed. But sure, Lemmy is just where you take out your frustrations on the libs after a hard day's work ineffectively unionizing and canvassing for irrelevant leftist politicians. Good luck with that, you're really making a difference 👏
Sorry, posting is primarily not praxis lol
Sure, the revolution will have a "digital component" but I don't really see the point in being conciliatory to smug closed-minded assholes on one of the most niche social media platforms on the internet. It's obvious you don't know anything about Marxism or about how social change is made so you can keep your advice to yourself. We try to keep details about our efforts in the real world vague because we don't want to be doxxed.
Yes, I'm sure letting people call us slurs, red fascists, pretending-to-be-LGBT-people, and Chinese/Russian bots on lemmy (the most important social platform, the social platform of the revolution) without any pushback will exert enough social control on them to make them do communism. Our posts will make Marx proud!
Comments like this have really shown me that liberals don't actually care about beliefs at all (hexbear having diametrically opposed beliefs to 4chan). They only care about tone.
Why yes, groups of people who act like a bunch of dogpiling 4chan trolls typically don't have their beliefs respected or acknowledged. Tone is important. Glad we could help you come to that realization.
Understood. And I know there are groups on pretty much every instance that ruin things for everyone else. I don't want to judge any full instance from the actions of a minority.