They are really trying to destroy one of the most anti-racist people in politics. This just proves that there is simply no compromising with the liberals, they will try to destroy the left no matter what.
The Dems would be doing the same to Bernie if he wasn't Jewish. This will be a huge problem for the next big left-wing candidate, he/she will be accused of antisemitism.
Last time Labour had a decent leader was Harold Wilson. The army planned two coups against him. It's a fucking miracle how close Corbyn came to winning given the press barons and internal party sabotage.
Not really, no. He's not too involved with party politics anymore. Still makes shitty comments from time to time about "combating populism", but mostly he just runs his foundation for peace and stability in the Middle East (really)
What is absolutely terrifying is how quickly antisemitism has become criticism of Israel.
We have, with every passing generation, the horror of the Nazi death camps sinking further back into collective memory. Survivors are dying of old age and in spite of the very laudible and best efforts of many, it's becoming more than just history but aincient history.
We are going to have people watching Israel's actions then seeing those who criticise the use of white phosperus for instance smeared as antisemites. Some of then will have a decent understanding of what's going on. Most won't. Most will come to the entirely wrong conclusion about Israel and Jews as a whole.
Israel exists because of the US. Eventually the interests of the US and Israel will divert significantly enough for that support to dry up. Then you're gonna get some far right US candidate on the rise, drumming up popular support. They're going to have a ready made outsider group who are precieved to have some sort of 'special' status etc. You're gonna have people dogwhistling again about the Jews and how they don't belong and asking why they don't leave seeing as Israel is their home.
It's going to happen again basically and incidents like this are slowly but surely building the foundations for it.
Really? I asked my first ever jewish American friend what her political leanings were and she looked at me like I was an idiot and said "duh, I'm jewish, republican."
Wtf lmfao, the vast majority of Jews are democrats, and that falls out by age. Maybe some orthodox jews are more Republican leaning, but that's not universally true at all. It's like 80/20.
There IS an element of vocal opposition to Israeli supremacy within the democrats. Obama has said that they "cannot permanently occupy and settle on Palestinian land." So I get it, if I were a single-issue zionist candidate, I'd be wary of this kind of "dangerous language" from the democrats. They're also not quite as rhetorically loyal to AIPAC as republicans are. So I assumed most zionists thought this way.
OBVIOUSLY It should go without saying that beyond some mild rhetoric, neither party have ever intended to challenge warcrimes in Palestine. Bernie was the slightly less mild rhetorical candidate on this, and Jezza was a step further.
Yeah, Israeli Americans are much more republican leaning, but again, it's probably no more than 50/50.
Bernie's early political teachings are that of old school labour Zionism (people forget that Israel had a socialist economic system until 1985 that was probably most similar to that of market socialist yugoslavia), but there still is a ton of Zionism imbedded in that ideology, it's why he's so in love with worker co-ops, and doesn't support BDS due to support for a 2 state solution.
This also said, most Jews even if they support the end of palestinian occupation, do not support BDS for their call for a 1 state solution because they just think it would mean decades of civil war.
I come from a long line of New York Jews who all diligently vote Democrat at the top of the ticket and then spend two hours explaining why Mayor Bloomberg was the best mayor the city ever had.
counterpoint: they smeared ilhan omar as anti-Semitic and she did have not even half of the backlash Corbyn did. now if this has to do with America literally not giving a shit or what, it doesn't seem to resonate the same way it did to Corbyn. but they'll try anyways. if we get to that point. lol
If they'd just shut up about Israel for a fucking minute they'd make it much harder for their accusers. Why argue about something you can't do shit about. Some things need to be done in silence and when in power.
Its harder for them to get away with it here because most of our Jews lean lib/left, which is flipped in the UK. Still definitely possible but less so.
They are really trying to destroy one of the most anti-racist people in politics. This just proves that there is simply no compromising with the liberals, they will try to destroy the left no matter what.
The Dems would be doing the same to Bernie if he wasn't Jewish. This will be a huge problem for the next big left-wing candidate, he/she will be accused of antisemitism.
It didn't stop them, they still tried it.
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They tried to smear him as associating with "anti-semites" like Ilhan Omar and insisted he denounce them.
They went all in on Ilhan Omar, repeatedly.
Weird how anyone who expresses support for Palestine and Palestinians gets slandered as fascist.
Last time Labour had a decent leader was Harold Wilson. The army planned two coups against him. It's a fucking miracle how close Corbyn came to winning given the press barons and internal party sabotage.
I would like to add in:
Fuck Tony Blair
Was Blair fucking things up for Corbyn behind the scenes like Obama did here?
Not really, no. He's not too involved with party politics anymore. Still makes shitty comments from time to time about "combating populism", but mostly he just runs his foundation for peace and stability in the Middle East (really)
ministry of peace lol
Not after the first time he tried led to increased support for Corbyn, no.
I'm not that in touch with UK politics
I meant when he was elected and largely blew the whole fucking thing by trying to play Greece to America's Rome
He set a precedent that allowed Corbyn's labour to smeared as both dangerous revolutionaries and as establishment liberals.
Sanders isn't a quarter as good on Palestine as Corbyn and even Corbyn is a compromise.
What is absolutely terrifying is how quickly antisemitism has become criticism of Israel.
We have, with every passing generation, the horror of the Nazi death camps sinking further back into collective memory. Survivors are dying of old age and in spite of the very laudible and best efforts of many, it's becoming more than just history but aincient history.
We are going to have people watching Israel's actions then seeing those who criticise the use of white phosperus for instance smeared as antisemites. Some of then will have a decent understanding of what's going on. Most won't. Most will come to the entirely wrong conclusion about Israel and Jews as a whole.
Israel exists because of the US. Eventually the interests of the US and Israel will divert significantly enough for that support to dry up. Then you're gonna get some far right US candidate on the rise, drumming up popular support. They're going to have a ready made outsider group who are precieved to have some sort of 'special' status etc. You're gonna have people dogwhistling again about the Jews and how they don't belong and asking why they don't leave seeing as Israel is their home.
It's going to happen again basically and incidents like this are slowly but surely building the foundations for it.
No way this shit works in America the same way it does in the UK. In the UK Jews are majority tory voters, in the US Jews are much more left wing.
Really? I asked my first ever jewish American friend what her political leanings were and she looked at me like I was an idiot and said "duh, I'm jewish, republican."
Wtf lmfao, the vast majority of Jews are democrats, and that falls out by age. Maybe some orthodox jews are more Republican leaning, but that's not universally true at all. It's like 80/20.
Yeah I believe you. She may have been from a more rich/suburban/zionist place than most. The "democrats are extremist anti zionist" kind of zionism.
Yeah even most Jews that support Israel still vote democrat. The Republican party is far too Christian for most Jews.
There IS an element of vocal opposition to Israeli supremacy within the democrats. Obama has said that they "cannot permanently occupy and settle on Palestinian land." So I get it, if I were a single-issue zionist candidate, I'd be wary of this kind of "dangerous language" from the democrats. They're also not quite as rhetorically loyal to AIPAC as republicans are. So I assumed most zionists thought this way.
OBVIOUSLY It should go without saying that beyond some mild rhetoric, neither party have ever intended to challenge warcrimes in Palestine. Bernie was the slightly less mild rhetorical candidate on this, and Jezza was a step further.
Yeah, Israeli Americans are much more republican leaning, but again, it's probably no more than 50/50.
Bernie's early political teachings are that of old school labour Zionism (people forget that Israel had a socialist economic system until 1985 that was probably most similar to that of market socialist yugoslavia), but there still is a ton of Zionism imbedded in that ideology, it's why he's so in love with worker co-ops, and doesn't support BDS due to support for a 2 state solution.
This also said, most Jews even if they support the end of palestinian occupation, do not support BDS for their call for a 1 state solution because they just think it would mean decades of civil war.
Very interesting. It's becoming more and more clear how poorly read I am on the subject lol
I come from a long line of New York Jews who all diligently vote Democrat at the top of the ticket and then spend two hours explaining why Mayor Bloomberg was the best mayor the city ever had.
Um, 75-80 percent of Jews vote dems. That's the highest after African Americans.
I'm sheltered forgive me.
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And it will work.
Be prepared for it. This worked devastatingly against Corbs, it's so painful to watch a genuinely good man treated this way.
counterpoint: they smeared ilhan omar as anti-Semitic and she did have not even half of the backlash Corbyn did. now if this has to do with America literally not giving a shit or what, it doesn't seem to resonate the same way it did to Corbyn. but they'll try anyways. if we get to that point. lol
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If they'd just shut up about Israel for a fucking minute they'd make it much harder for their accusers. Why argue about something you can't do shit about. Some things need to be done in silence and when in power.
Its harder for them to get away with it here because most of our Jews lean lib/left, which is flipped in the UK. Still definitely possible but less so.
https://youtu.be/XkY88kvkdvU